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cyberdog
August 27th, 2007, 10:41 AM
In case anyone hasn't had the chance to read it this morning, here's Burton Ong's piece on "fair dealing" as used within the Copyright Act.

Aug 27, 2007
ANIME DOWNLOADING
Separating bona fide fans from freeloaders
By Burton Ong

THIS year marks the 20th anniversary of Singapore's copyright statute - the Copyright Act of 1987. In the last 20 years, this piece of legislation has been amended many times, ranging from minor clarifications to major face-lifts, often in response to various international obligations undertaken by Singapore through multilateral and bilateral agreements.

The most recent substantive changes to the copyright framework took place a couple of years back after the conclusion of the United States-

Singapore Free Trade Agreement, under which copyright owners were guaranteed a significantly expanded suite of legal rights.

In the past few years, a lot of media attention focused on the rigorous enforcement of these rights against copyright infringers, particularly in cases where copyright owners invoked those statutory provisions which criminalise certain forms of infringing behaviour.

A lot less attention was given to changes made to the Copyright Act to counter-balance the expanding arsenal of rights that copyright owners have lobbied for and received.

One provision, which was most recently amended in 2004, stands out in particular. This is Section 35 of the Act ('Fair dealing in relation to works') which declares that a 'fair dealing' with a copyright-protected work 'shall not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the work'.

Whether or not a particular situation involves 'fair dealing' depends on the particular facts in each case. Section 35(2) sets out a non-exhaustive list of five considerations which a court is expected to take into account when making this determination. These factors include 'the purpose and character of the dealing', 'the nature of the work', 'the amount and substantiality of the part copied', 'the effect...upon the potential market for, or value of, the work' and 'the possibility of obtaining the work or adaptation within a reasonable time at an ordinary commercial price'.

Prior to 2004, the application of this 'fair dealing' provision was restricted by the need to show that the copied work was used for specific purposes, including 'research and study', 'criticism or review' and 'reporting current events'.

While these purposes may still be relied upon today to justify the unauthorised reproduction of a work, the key difference in the amended Section 35 is that it is now an open-ended defence which is available as long as the 'fairness' of the dealing is established - without having to fit the purpose of the reproduction within one of these specific pigeon-holes.

This deliberate expansion of the 'fair dealing' provision in the Copyright Act very clearly demonstrates an important function of the copyright law regime that is frequently overlooked.

Copyright law is not just about protecting the interests of copyright owners. It is equally concerned about establishing a fair equilibrium between those interests and the interests of the public - the users of copyright-protected works - by demarcating a 'safety zone' within which the members of the public may make use of copyrighted works without infringing upon exclusive rights of their respective copyright owners.

In some jurisdictions with very similar copyright regimes, the 'fair dealing' provision is seen as not just an exception to the copyright owner's legal monopoly, but rather an expression of the users' rights to make use of the copyright-protected work in limited circumstances.

Given the current brouhaha surrounding the local crackdown on anime fans who have downloaded unauthorised copies of anime programmes from the Internet, and with the possibility that one of these cases may proceed to trial, there may be a golden opportunity for judicial clarification on the scope of the Section 35 'fair dealing' provision.

Each downloader's case is potentially unique and will affect his or her ability to plead 'fair dealing'. How many copies of each copyright-protected anime programme were made? Was the copied programme viewed privately and deleted, or was it burned onto a DVD and resold? Were legitimately licensed copies of the copied programme available on the market at the time it was copied or at any time thereafter?

A myriad of factors influence the culpability of the copyright user's conduct and, by extension, his ability to establish that he has engaged in 'fair dealing'.

One interesting aspect that has emerged from news reports and letters to the press from anime fans is the argument that the unauthorised downloading of these anime programmes is an aspect of anime fans' sub-culture which actually supports the anime industry rather than undermines its commercial viability.

Proponents of this argument highlight the role which these downloaded copies have in increasing the popularity of these anime programmes and how the anime fan, who starts out watching a few episodes of an anime programme off the Internet, is likely to purchase licensed high-quality DVDs and box sets when they are released down the road.

The unauthorised downloading is motivated by the fact that licensed copies are not available in the local market, or that they are of poor visual quality or that they do not contain English subtitling.

The increased exposure of this segment of the public to these anime programmes via the Internet also creates a fan base from which a market for spin-off products (i.e. toys, games, accessories, apparel) arises, a market that the copyright owner is able to exploit by licensing the right to reproduce images of his copyright-protected characters.

If the real-life experiences of a genuine anime fan (with his cabinet full of licensed DVDs and paraphernalia) support these arguments, then he may well have a strong case in characterising his conduct as a 'fair dealing'.

This is because, applying the fourth factor in Section 35(2) of the Copyright Act, 'the effect (of making and viewing the unauthorised copies of the anime programme)...upon the potential market for, or value of, the work' is likely to benefit the copyright owner on the whole.

The point is: Not all anime programme downloaders are equally at risk of being found liable for copyright infringement. Some of them will be in a stronger position than others to invoke the 'fair dealing' provisions of the Copyright Act. The challenge for the copyright owner is to separate the bona fide fans from the bogus freeloaders.

The writer is an associate professor at the National University of Singapore law school.

eleewhm
August 27th, 2007, 11:43 AM
so need to buy more figurines

PhiBer
August 27th, 2007, 11:55 AM
so need to buy more figurines

Yeah.. my fren has almost $4000 worth of Prince of Tennis (ONLY)merchandise!!!
Counted or not? lol..

saltydog
August 27th, 2007, 12:10 PM
The challenge for the copyright owner is to separate the bona fide fans from the bogus freeloaders.

And it makes me wonder if Odex had ever considered this relevant point, even before they started the crackdown, even before they sold their first VCD. Who are they targeting their products at? Looking at how things have turned out, it's hard to believe if they ever realized they needed bona fide fans' support and loyalty. When they couldn't sell, they simply lowered the prices and expected their VCDs and DVDs to fly off the shelves. This is short-sighted marketing. There is more to consumer behavior than the inability to resist cheap products. If only Odex had engaged bona fide fans from the start and listened to their concerns and worked with them to change the face and fate of the local anme community instead of seeing themselves as the only ones in the country who can be considered "true" anime fans.

Jack_Chen
August 27th, 2007, 02:59 PM
after you seen all the arguments, even the legality of the anime is questionable. We need more people who can present a neutral, fair, balanced point of view. All the lawyers that ST found must be a unique bunch as the judgment swung different way. I guess it's the same when they first talk about Durai. The truth shall show the way!

booest
August 27th, 2007, 04:37 PM
can someone translate this to engrish :D

dillion
August 27th, 2007, 05:07 PM
means

d/l

a little bit a-sai
too much will liao-sai

just like when u go to the library, u can photocopy a bit but not the whole book.

Jack_Chen
August 27th, 2007, 05:32 PM
fair use huh? what if I dl but I also buy a copy as a back up?

cyberdog
August 27th, 2007, 05:52 PM
can someone translate this to engrish :Dhahaha from what i heard the man is damn blardy brilliant and most normal people cannot understand what he say one lor so this is probably as close to our Engrish as he can get :hat1:

saltydog
August 27th, 2007, 06:02 PM
fair use huh? what if I dl but I also buy a copy as a back up?

According to the professor: If the real-life experiences of a genuine anime fan (with his cabinet full of licensed DVDs and paraphernalia) support these arguments, then he may well have a strong case in characterising his conduct as a 'fair dealing'.

Which means, if you get hauled to court by the copyright owner (the Japanese anime company, not Odex) for downloading fansubs, you have a stronger case of proving that you are not guilty of a criminal act because you can claim that your access to fansubs has positively influenced you to support official merchandise, and so argue for the case of "fair dealing".

Anime fans who buy and collect official goods can do this. Those who download and download only have no case.

Note: I'm not a lawyer. That's my layman's interpretation.

smashkitty
August 27th, 2007, 06:54 PM
means

d/l

a little bit a-sai
too much will liao-sai

just like when u go to the library, u can photocopy a bit but not the whole book.

Correct, but with fansubs, dl a lot and buy a lot is probably good unlike books

fair use huh? what if I dl but I also buy a copy as a back up?

Can work, provided for most of the stuff you download, you have bought the official item

The copyright holders will have a lot of difficulty in determining who buys and who freeloads, since a lot of people who 'freeload' tend to lurk and pounce on free stuff before hiding in the shadows again

dondon
August 27th, 2007, 08:15 PM
According to the professor: If the real-life experiences of a genuine anime fan (with his cabinet full of licensed DVDs and paraphernalia) support these arguments, then he may well have a strong case in characterising his conduct as a 'fair dealing'.

Which means, if you get hauled to court by the copyright owner (the Japanese anime company, not Odex) for downloading fansubs, you have a stronger case of proving that you are not guilty of a criminal act because you can claim that your access to fansubs has positively influenced you to support official merchandise, and so argue for the case of "fair dealing".

Anime fans who buy and collect official goods can do this. Those who download and download only have no case.

Note: I'm not a lawyer. That's my layman's interpretation.

Tho I am keen to adopt your view, but something strikes me as not very right...let me sleep over it.


If I buy lots of Gudam figurines, then download Bleach fansubs, then I am not guilty?
If I buy lots of Bleach DVD, and download of SAME Bleach fansub series(latest), then I am not guilty?

??funny le..something not right
Any English teacher can interpret into layman's English.

parrywrinkle
August 27th, 2007, 08:44 PM
hahaha from what i heard the man is damn blardy brilliant and most normal people cannot understand what he say one lor so this is probably as close to our Engrish as he can get :hat1:


Basically the point he is trying to make is that there is the issue of "fair use" which has not been argued in the Singapore courts yet. A possible argument to present to the courts in regard to "fair use" would be if you are a true fan and can prove that your acts download does not harm/ is not prejudicial to the use of the rights of the copyright holder.

An example is you downloaded 100 animes and you have a DVD collection that rivals HMV Japan and toy figurines to make Toys R' us cry. But you also burn these animes in DVDs and give them out for free to friends. And your friends burn them and give them to their friends. So despite your DVD and toy collection, your download is not fair use. It was done to result in acts which are prejudicial against the copyright holders, since there would be less distributors willing to pick up a licence to distribute anime where fans can get it for free.

Of course that is an extreme example and you can go to jail for distribution of copyrighted material anyway. But the point I'm trying to make is this: it can be "fair use" as long as you can show that what you're doing is not prejudicial to the interests of the copyright holder.

If you're just a freeloader, arguably you're acting prejudicial to the interests of the copyright holder. If you can prove that you are a fan (the more stuff you have the more convincing your proof is), you can argue that it's "fair use".

BUT

there is a point you guys have to remember: whether fair use or not, the govt can still prosecute you under s.136 of the Copyrights Act. There is no statutory exception in there called "fair use", although there is a requirement for the court to consider "all other relevant factors" which might include fair use. Still, it depends whether your lawyer is on the ball if you ever get hauled to court for that.

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Above is my opinions. Not to be relied on for legal advice.

DragonFire
August 27th, 2007, 08:59 PM
OT: With all the legal talk around parrywrinkle's name somehow makes me think of Parry Aftab :)

DF

booest
August 27th, 2007, 10:43 PM
- BT upload.... you rarely hit above 30%
- Most of the stuff I do dl are not in Singapore for purchase ...actually can say all.
- I buy them why I get a chance to get from Amazon or other good retail online....e.g Advent Children... the ghibli studio Collection.... The full Slam Dunk and Initial D shitty VCDs. Shadow Skills.... series DVD box set of Argento Soma... and a lot more -_-"""

uah.. Naruto also... bought eps 1~20.. nbz.. throw it away..... quality was really bad

saltydog
August 27th, 2007, 11:35 PM
If I buy lots of Gudam figurines, then download Bleach fansubs, then I am not guilty? If I buy lots of Bleach DVD, and download of SAME Bleach fansub series(latest), then I am not guilty?

??funny le..something not right Any English teacher can interpret into layman's English.

Right. And I'm not even an English teacher. :hat1:

Read Parrywrinkle's explanation and see if you understand it better. As for your examples, I'll say the first one doesn't work as a convincing argument at all. To show that watching fansubs has a positive influence on your buying behavior, you would have to show that you own merchandise related to the series you are watching. There is no relation between buying lots of Gundam figures and watching Bleach.

As for buying Bleach DVDs first and then downloading the latest episodes, you are showing the reverse of positive influence. I doubt that cuts any ice for the fair use argument. :rolleyes

But you also burn these animes in DVDs and give them out for free to friends. And your friends burn them and give them to their friends.

Do many local anime fans do this? I'm quite surprised. The right thing to do would be to delete the files after watching. (Of course, doing the "right" thing after doing the "wrong" thing doesn't make the wrong thing right. But it sure doesn't help to do more wrong things. :rolleyes )

Xedo Defense
August 28th, 2007, 02:19 AM
Those who download and download only have no case.


This is a contentious point really. In order for such "freeloaders" to have impacted the content owner's interests, you would have to prove that these freeloaders, without the avenue of downloading, would have bought the originals.

Consider the hypothetical case of a 9yr old who does not have the economic ability to buy such items, whose parents would not have agreed to pay for such items. Internet or not, he/she would not have been able to contribute in anyway to the content owner's economic interest and therefore it cannot be argued that by downloading, he/she has negatively impacted the content owner's interests.

In fact, the reverse might actually be true. Since if this 9yr old was contributing his/her bandwidth to upload to people who eventually bought merchandise due to the interest generated by the downloads, then this 9yr old would have actually contributed to the content owner's interest.

So it's not accurate nor fair to say freeloaders do not have a case.

smashkitty
August 28th, 2007, 03:17 AM
This is a contentious point really. In order for such "freeloaders" to have impacted the content owner's interests, you would have to prove that these freeloaders, without the avenue of downloading, would have bought the originals.

Consider the hypothetical case of a 9yr old who does not have the economic ability to buy such items, whose parents would not have agreed to pay for such items. Internet or not, he/she would not have been able to contribute in anyway to the content owner's economic interest and therefore it cannot be argued that by downloading, he/she has negatively impacted the content owner's interests.

In fact, the reverse might actually be true. Since if this 9yr old was contributing his/her bandwidth to upload to people who eventually bought merchandise due to the interest generated by the downloads, then this 9yr old would have actually contributed to the content owner's interest.

So it's not accurate nor fair to say freeloaders do not have a case.

How many of these 'freeloaders' actually help spread the content? You should know most run after the download reaches 100%

Then again he could also be spreading to other freeloaders, and etc

Economic ability or not does not mean you should always be able to get stuff for free, even so, you should control what you watch and not be greedy

If your statement holds true, please workfor me while you produce products that everyone wants but don't want to pay 1 cent

As I have said before, the numbers of groups of people who download are very hard for anyone to determine, except for every individual him or herself

Xedo Defense
August 28th, 2007, 09:15 AM
How many of these 'freeloaders' actually help spread the content? You should know most run after the download reaches 100%

Then again he could also be spreading to other freeloaders, and etc


That is of course undeterminable by us, hence I said "the reverse might actually be true".


Economic ability or not does not mean you should always be able to get stuff for free, even so, you should control what you watch and not be greedy


I am not saying economic ability determines whether anybody should be able to get stuff for free.

I am pointing out that it is not accurate to say a content owner definitely suffered losses in the case of a freeloader. Just like they cannot lose/make money from things they are not selling, they cannot claim to lose money from somebody who would not have been able to buy anything they sell, with or without the Internet.

saltydog
August 28th, 2007, 12:20 PM
This is a contentious point really. In order for such "freeloaders" to have impacted the content owner's interests, you would have to prove that these freeloaders, without the avenue of downloading, would have bought the originals.

Consider the hypothetical case of a 9yr old who does not have the economic ability to buy such items, whose parents would not have agreed to pay for such items. Internet or not, he/she would not have been able to contribute in anyway to the content owner's economic interest and therefore it cannot be argued that by downloading, he/she has negatively impacted the content owner's interests.

Yes, but he has no grounds for arguing that he is entitled to the fair use or fair dealing claim.

In fact, the reverse might actually be true. Since if this 9yr old was contributing his/her bandwidth to upload to people who eventually bought merchandise due to the interest generated by the downloads, then this 9yr old would have actually contributed to the content owner's interest.

A moot point. It's impossible to prove or disprove. In any case, the professor's case is focused on the downloader's behavior. The validity and impact of sub-distribution, inadvertent or otherwise, is a different argument.

So it's not accurate nor fair to say freeloaders do not have a case.

Personally, I feel freeloaders do not have a case. They do not contribute directly to the anime market by supporting official merchandise. Anime is a hobby; it is neither a need nor a right. Let's not talk about 9-year-olds. There was only a single incident of a 9-year-old who downloaded and who was brought to the Odex office by his parents. I sympathize, because of the anxiety he and his parents must have faced. No one wants to be threatened with legal action. However, the 9-year-old is probably an exception, not the rule. The majority of downloaders are very likely to be teenagers and young adults.

Disclaimer: Not a lawyer. My opinions are wholly personal. :)

Ultimate Chicke
August 28th, 2007, 01:06 PM
Personally, I feel freeloaders do not have a case. They do not contribute directly to the anime market by supporting official merchandise.

Remember, watching TV is also freeloading if it weren't for advertisements - and how many of us stick around for the ads anyway?

(YES, this is an actual argument used by American TV executives. Just telling you that this kind of Guilty Until Proven Innocent approach won't be very good for the man in the street.)

saltydog
August 28th, 2007, 01:39 PM
Remember, watching TV is also freeloading if it weren't for advertisements - and how many of us stick around for the ads anyway?

(YES, this is an actual argument used by American TV executives. Just telling you that this kind of Guilty Until Proven Innocent approach won't be very good for the man in the street.)

Aiyah, no, lah! :) While I believe the freeloader doesn't have a case, I'm not saying they're guilty until they're proven innocent. Aren't these two separate issues? Every person is innocent until proven guilty. But, yes, I believe it would be very difficult for a freeloader to argue his case in court, on the basis that what he has done constitutes fair use, and win it.

bluecoral
August 28th, 2007, 02:18 PM
i wonder is there a big diff in dling fansubs and dling raw ?

dragoncells
August 28th, 2007, 10:30 PM
i wonder is there a big diff in dling fansubs and dling raw ?
There is no difference, the content is copyrighted to its owner.
fansubs only sub the series but do not own or have copyrights to the content.
the raw are copyrighted to its owner.

The truth is downloading any copyrighted materials from the internet are deemed illegal unless otherwise proven.