Guy went blind because his army officer diisregarded his allergy to dust

[floppy]

http://sometimesifart.blogspot.com/2008/01/my-last-post-as-nsf.html

Opening up the office,
doing duty, cleaning cups,
filing, typing and stoning.
The fun never ends.
It was heaven,
when there were so many breaks,
long hours of lunch.
I really had fun.
But my skin was sensitive to the,
incredible amount of dust.
Neither did Julian's hands,
his mum gave me a bottle of lotion.
i was touched.
My skin grew worse and so did my eyes,
they were red and in pain all the time,
i reported sick until people told me,
my officers were angry.
Maj Adrian especially,
did not let me have my day-off,
when i did all my duties and was entitled.
I was afraid, thus i reduced the number of reporting sick.
I requested for post-out many times,
the officers knew.
they send me Victor, claiming that he was my understudy,
but in the end, he knew more than me.
I couldnt take the stress,
the pain was overwhelming.
i went to National Eye Centre,
and the doctors told me i had glaucoma.
I guess that was the steriod eye drops,
given to cope with the dust in the office,
mind you, it's hell lot of dust in the office.
Stepping in and out of the room even made a difference.
The Branch was moving, so off with the documents
We spoilt 3 shredding machines,
trying to clear the office.
Dust was everywhere, and everybody knew.
But no, i was not excused.
I whined.

Sent for counselling,
Mr Keith was my consellor.
He made me laugh, joked around with me,
and told me to go back work.
after all, what's the point?
We cant win the system.
If you have a penis, you serve.
I told him my deepest secret,
trusting him completely.
that my family was bankrupt,
my father in debt and about loan sharks,
about my teacher threatening in school,
about my friends betraying me,
about my hopes and dreams, ambitions
and everything
He nodded, listened.
I trusted.

In December, I woke up.
Blind. Couldnt see clearly at all,
i went to my eye doctor.
He panicked, telling me that my eye pressure
was dangerously high.
Every hour was significant.
He wrote a letter to the office,
asking them to excuse me from work.
It's an emergency case,
I was so scared. I told Mr Keith.
He quitted the very same day,
made me sign papers to stop counselling,
telling me he will contact me to help me with it,
but i never heard him ever again.
I crumbled.

on Valentine's day,
I was lying on the operation table.
In physcial pain you can't imagine.
Wondering what I did wrong,
how it happened.
The doctors tried to save the better eye,
and move on to the 2nd eye 3 weeks later.
It was excruitating, to be awake,
knowing ur eyeballs are being poked.
Not brave enough to scream,
too scared to jerk and fighting all ur natural instinct,
And in all these pain i could only manage,
I gasped.

I went back to work in May.
But I kept bumping, falling down.
Tripping on everything,
bleeding and cutting myself,
the laughters of others,
the stares of strangers,
the pain of my heart and body,
i had enough.
I question my doctor,
and he told me the truth.
That I will be forever,
visually handicapped.
my world collapsed.
I cried.

At night, i wake my hand violently,
in front of my face,
hoping to see something
hoping the image will form
it never did and never will,
i was afraid of my eye pressure increasing,
i crawled to the toilet, afraid to fall down,
couldn't see.
couldn't tell my parents i was afraid,
couldn't believe this was happening.
Loyalty to country,
the price is too high.
I despaired.

[orderum]

is the blogger himself the person who got blind?damn i'm feeling damn pissed off with the army officials

[FusionTiger]

As screwed as the system can be. Haiz, many will understand what this guy had gone through. Had an indirectly similar experience during my service to this nation. Ain't worth my efforts and time to serve. I really appreciate that I been through it with minimal damages.

IMO, the system is pretty much "FUBAR".

[floppy]

is the blogger himself the person who got blind?damn i'm feeling damn pissed off with the army officials
hes left with 15% of his original vision, and fast going blind. i share his sentiments exactly, I have pretty serious eczema, had gluacoma before but managed to recover. Condition was pretty obvious (and still pretty is for those who knows me). I really feel for this guy.

[DragonFire]

Terrible terrible. I hope that officer gets crucified, drawn and quartered.

DF

Edit: nevertheless the fellow should have been adamant about not working due to his condition. A court martial for malingering (of which he would probably have been acquitted following medical board) is a much lower price to pay than being handicapped for life.

[floppy]

Terrible terrible. I hope that officer gets crucified, drawn and quartered.

DF
those who have eczema will really feel for this guy.

[Q00]

this should be publicized as an example of the failure medical system of the saf.

[Ev0lutionz]

Thats bad, I hope i would not get into this situation as him and I wish my friend/friends good luck in NS. Hope they abolish it. Total waste of 2 years.

[mercenary_sg]

Bloody officer, and this such cases goes cover by SAF, and there goes his future!!
May he get better and the officer get his just rewards!

[Ev0lutionz]

I scared of going to NS.. how?? Wait i really sick then the guy thinks i zhao geng only.

[Carbon Oxyride]

Poor thing...

[Philip]

These kinds of cases are all so familiar and nothing new. An illusion of "keng" by the upper ranks prevalent throughout SAF. Just another sad case and why I feel there's no point serving the nation when we're just another expandable statistic of SG Inc.

Phil

[SYY]

Hope they abolish it. Total waste of 2 years.

almost impossible...dats da sad truth...

[floppy]

Terrible terrible. I hope that officer gets crucified, drawn and quartered.

DF

Edit: nevertheless the fellow should have been adamant about not working due to his condition. A court martial for malingering (of which he would probably have been acquitted following medical board) is a much lower price to pay than being handicapped for life.
I agree. leading by fear is still prevalent in the SAF.

[tarui04]

day 1 of BMT, they already told me.

u have less respect than the ants on the ground.


day 1 already use fear to strangle u.


what's more the rest of the 2 years?



All hail SAF!

[Philip]

Just to share another sad case I knew.

This guy injured his hearing during a live firing exercise and suffered mild tinnitus a.k.a. ringing sound in ear.

He reported sick the following day and was arranged to visit ENT specialist for consultation.

During the course of his diagnosis, he was posted to the school of combat engineer as a field engineer specialist. Training involved lots of hammering and handling of high explosive.

He was given a specialist letter for out of course recommendation but was duly rejected by the camp medical office. To make matter worst, he was scheduled for overseas exercise involving live explosive training. Brought up the matter to CO but was brushed aside, reassured that ear muffle will be provided but never happened.

True enough, his condition worsen after numerous live firing involving heavy-duty explosives.

He was subsequently pulled out of combat service and was downgraded, but not before having to face with high frequency hearing loss in both ears for the rest of his life.

Now, imagine ringing noise in your ears 24/7 which also impede communication ability especially in noisy environments. Lastly, the only recourse for Tinnitus is to surgically remove the damaged hearing nerve or permanent hearing loss. No compensation was rewarded. Even if there was, no treatment or instrument can take away the annoying ringing noise.

Phil

[Ashyne]

yeah i read the whole long article on hardwarezone its a very touching poem...

[Ashyne]

day 1 of BMT, they already told me.

u have less respect than the ants on the ground.

day 1 already use fear to strangle u.

what's more the rest of the 2 years?

All hail SAF!

rofl this is more like they dont give a shit about respecting you so why should you respect them?

if the military doesnt respect us, how would we become soldiers who would die to serve our country?

if the military doesnt show its members that it cares for their well-being, no one there will take pride in being a soldier and put in his best at defending his country.

[medallion]

Talk abt Care For Soldiers. Has this been carried out?

Sighz.

[KenMcGormick]

In some sort of situation like him...

Went to see the MO for like 10times within 3months for stomach problem... MOs cannot help... lousy MOs

Luckily now im OK, read up some books on the stomach and did some trial and error with the food i eat... found out that im most likely lactose-intolerance (cannot drink milk)...

No MOs tell me that, they just say the usual, eat ur veggies fruits... that im suffering from either diarrhea or constipation and alternate me between the cures for these 2 illness etc... fuck them. Got me an appointment in NUS that i have to wait 4months, if im really in such emergency case that requires a specialist and i have to fucking hell wait 4month, some1 would have died.

[medallion]

In some sort of situation like him...

Went to see the MO for like 10times within 3months for stomach problem... MOs cannot help... lousy MOs

Luckily now im OK, read up some books on the stomach and did some trial and error with the food i eat... found out that im most likely lactose-intolerance (cannot drink milk)...

No MOs tell me that, they just say the usual, eat ur veggies fruits... that im suffering from either diarrhea or constipation and alternate me between the cures for these 2 illness etc... fuck them. Got me an appointment in NUS that i have to wait 4months, if im really in such emergency case that requires a specialist and i have to fucking hell wait 4month, some1 would have died.


They arent very competent if u ask me.

SAF should consider getting civilian doctors.

[KenMcGormick]

They arent very competent if u ask me.

SAF should consider getting civilian doctors.

Dun think so... what u pay is what u get...

They pay small money to NSF doctors... the NSF doctors return what sort of service the money that justify that.

What SAF should do is spend just a little bit more from their budget on training doctors to be more professional which benefit both the doctors and the system...

Anyway, didnt the government took an extra 7billion dollars from us for the budget... this is where like 0.1% the 7billion dollars can go into... Make NSFs lives better.

[KenMcGormick]

Any1 study psychology???

Maybe can try to link this http://www.prisonexp.org/ to what is happening to our BMT... I remember during my time Ninja Coy is infamous for its lack of welfare... Sadistic OC etc...

When power is transferred into the hands of 1 and privileged taken away from another, man can start to do stupid and immoral things.

[ValentinoRyan]

wah..

v touching lehs his poem..

and i feel sorry for the guy..

the officers were far too ..

absurd

[ET]

:doh: :doh:

[trouble-o-lot]

Pity the person. This kind of matter mustn't be allowed to happen in army. If I were his father and he's my only son, I will feel very angry and will sue the personnels in the court. I hope he was not the only son in the family, if not, really very sad for his family. Really scared... my turn into NS is soon in about 3 mths time. Must really think and act carefully, and protect myself at all times.

[mosura]

i enlisted pes A, ORDed a c9l9 CFC. it's all about how well u wayang.
first day in bmt i kenged all the way until pop. the whole duration of bmt i think half the time i was visiting specialist and getting MC. people bring bring gun go SOC, i bring specialist letter. throughout bmt i did nothing. first day after posted to unit as trainee i finally got to pes C2. later on i got posted out to hq side as i wasnt fit for outfield duties. hq side see all 3 crab and 1 star. thats the real time to start being capable as people there hold power unlike in bmt. i was the "fixer" in my office, always taking initiative to help the superiors solve problems and plan for trainings. i made myself so indespensible that i was promoted to a CFC 3 months before i ORD and had an outstanding testimonial from a BG. at the same time i slowly downgraded to my current C9L9 with only 5 years ns liability. in my 2 years in army i started a small online business, and took night classes for a private degree. i think i learn much more in an office dealing with superiors and working in a team rather then sweating like a dog in the hot sun waiting for things to happen.
im perfectly fit and can pass napfa easily, only thing is that i hate ns. people say inside ns u cannot decide which unit u want to go, but i always tell my friends who're going in that u can always decide if u want to sit in air con room or sweat like dog for the next 1 1/2 years after pop.

[squall343]

this is why loyalty to country is the first core value

while care for soldier is the last core value

:(

[motosung]

this is why loyalty to country is the first core value

while care for soldier is the last core value

:(

:eek::eek::eek:

& i'll be in NS in 3 years time

:buai:

[squall343]

:eek::eek::eek:

& i'll be in NS in 3 years time

:buai:

careful..take care of yourself is the most important

dun be too garang..

[JJLoke]

oh man ... i have high myopia all my life, due for NS real soon, after reading this im freaking shit scared

[Ashyne]

just do what they tell u n dun talk cock can liao is it?

[KenMcGormick]

i enlisted pes A, ORDed a c9l9 CFC. it's all about how well u wayang.
first day in bmt i kenged all the way until pop. the whole duration of bmt i think half the time i was visiting specialist and getting MC. people bring bring gun go SOC, i bring specialist letter. throughout bmt i did nothing. first day after posted to unit as trainee i finally got to pes C2. later on i got posted out to hq side as i wasnt fit for outfield duties. hq side see all 3 crab and 1 star. thats the real time to start being capable as people there hold power unlike in bmt. i was the "fixer" in my office, always taking initiative to help the superiors solve problems and plan for trainings. i made myself so indespensible that i was promoted to a CFC 3 months before i ORD and had an outstanding testimonial from a BG. at the same time i slowly downgraded to my current C9L9 with only 5 years ns liability. in my 2 years in army i started a small online business, and took night classes for a private degree. i think i learn much more in an office dealing with superiors and working in a team rather then sweating like a dog in the hot sun waiting for things to happen.
im perfectly fit and can pass napfa easily, only thing is that i hate ns. people say inside ns u cannot decide which unit u want to go, but i always tell my friends who're going in that u can always decide if u want to sit in air con room or sweat like dog for the next 1 1/2 years after pop.

This is what i call good planning

[dondon]

haiz...heartfelt condolences

[heysio]

a very sad post from the guy. hope he will pull himself up and face his new world.

[Soundpunk]

omg. he was from the same formation as me. damn.

[Evange]

Well, seriously, must blame all the chao keng kias!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ever heard of the story of the boy who cried wolf?

Anyway, my heart goes out to this poor NSF. Hope that SAF can make it up to him some how. :(

[Xils]

i enlisted pes A, ORDed a c9l9 CFC. it's all about how well u wayang.
first day in bmt i kenged all the way until pop. the whole duration of bmt i think half the time i was visiting specialist and getting MC. people bring bring gun go SOC, i bring specialist letter. throughout bmt i did nothing. first day after posted to unit as trainee i finally got to pes C2. later on i got posted out to hq side as i wasnt fit for outfield duties. hq side see all 3 crab and 1 star. thats the real time to start being capable as people there hold power unlike in bmt. i was the "fixer" in my office, always taking initiative to help the superiors solve problems and plan for trainings. i made myself so indespensible that i was promoted to a CFC 3 months before i ORD and had an outstanding testimonial from a BG. at the same time i slowly downgraded to my current C9L9 with only 5 years ns liability. in my 2 years in army i started a small online business, and took night classes for a private degree. i think i learn much more in an office dealing with superiors and working in a team rather then sweating like a dog in the hot sun waiting for things to happen.
im perfectly fit and can pass napfa easily, only thing is that i hate ns. people say inside ns u cannot decide which unit u want to go, but i always tell my friends who're going in that u can always decide if u want to sit in air con room or sweat like dog for the next 1 1/2 years after pop.


hahaha, good for you...but then, you could be one of those statistic that helps drive the mentality that some folks like to keng :)

[kyouta]

poor guy .... cos of all the chao-geng kias around .... now all the officials don't really know who to believe

[FireFrog]

oh my... i feel so sad for this guy... even if the officers kanna chop head, its still not fair... cause wat's done cannot be undone.. they just lose their jobs.. but this guy lost his sight..

[motosung]

careful..take care of yourself is the most important

dun be too garang..

Thanks ~!

:thumb2:

[trickle_on]

i enlisted pes A, ORDed a c9l9 CFC. it's all about how well u wayang.
first day in bmt i kenged all the way until pop. the whole duration of bmt i think half the time i was visiting specialist and getting MC. people bring bring gun go SOC, i bring specialist letter. throughout bmt i did nothing. first day after posted to unit as trainee i finally got to pes C2. later on i got posted out to hq side as i wasnt fit for outfield duties. hq side see all 3 crab and 1 star. thats the real time to start being capable as people there hold power unlike in bmt. i was the "fixer" in my office, always taking initiative to help the superiors solve problems and plan for trainings. i made myself so indespensible that i was promoted to a CFC 3 months before i ORD and had an outstanding testimonial from a BG. at the same time i slowly downgraded to my current C9L9 with only 5 years ns liability. in my 2 years in army i started a small online business, and took night classes for a private degree. i think i learn much more in an office dealing with superiors and working in a team rather then sweating like a dog in the hot sun waiting for things to happen.
im perfectly fit and can pass napfa easily, only thing is that i hate ns. people say inside ns u cannot decide which unit u want to go, but i always tell my friends who're going in that u can always decide if u want to sit in air con room or sweat like dog for the next 1 1/2 years after pop.


Trying to justify your actions?

Two wrongs do not make a right.


:sarcastic

[John_Chee]

a very sad post from the guy. hope he will pull himself up and face his new world.

I admire this guy and I have been emo for a while. I thank the TS for spreading the word for him, otherwise I will not have known about his story. He has the courage to face the reality and is doing relief teaching now. Not many people can be as strong as him.

[HumsterMKII]

Trying to justify your actions?

Two wrongs do not make a right.


:sarcastic

2 wrongs never make a right.

But. Its the person himself who writes whats wrong or right.

I begin my Police NS, thinking these keng peeps are nothing more then leeches. If they can't be honest in NS, what kind of morals they have?

After my NS, now my reservist, I finally understand.

They are the smartest of us all.

[annhilator47]

2 wrongs never make a right.

But. Its the person himself who writes whats wrong or right.

I begin my Police NS, thinking these keng peeps are nothing more then leeches. If they can't be honest in NS, what kind of morals they have?

After my NS, now my reservist, I finally understand.

They are the smartest of us all.

those who attempt to get ard e system are usually smarter than those who conform to fate....

[ktk]

no wonder my friends said i made the smart choice by going back to Taiwan to further my studies...

haiz...what a inhuman system...

好男不當兵...

[orkz222]

sad case... hope he can face life bravely after this ordeal... all the best to ppl going ns...

[Ashyne]

first world city, third world attitude la, not only apply to the public but the military as well...what can i say...

[stellazio]

We have to thank the real Chao Kengers for this, they made a guy really in need of serious medication and excuses or a change of vocation to be ignored. But those officers had better get it too, but i just have this feeling that the SAF won't even give him the 100k that they normally pay out for a dead body?

[floppy]

really, how do you define chan geng? i have a similar condition to this guy, and unless you put that guy with the particular ailment to test else his condition won't show, and once his condition comes up it might just be too late. so tell me, what exactly is chao geng?

[mosura]

We have to thank the real Chao Kengers for this, they made a guy really in need of serious medication and excuses or a change of vocation to be ignored. But those officers had better get it too, but i just have this feeling that the SAF won't even give him the 100k that they normally pay out for a dead body?

dont open mouth and push blame to others. a nsf will always be a nsf, no matter 1 bar or private. super chiong sua or chao geng also nsf. u think a captain will bother treating a 1 bar or private differently? maybe only difference is 1 bar got more sai kang to do cos pay higher. end of the day the regulars wont give a damn about u cos u're just another nsf - saf's cheap labour.

[Evange]

The point here is that there are rich brats out there who get specialists to write letters for them to downgrade, even when they are PES A/B material. Believe me, I came across these kinda bastards. And because of these jerks, such a fine young man has to lose his sight.

Oh, I forgot to mention, apparently, I even came to know of ppl who manage to fake their way through the CMPB med checkup and got a downgrade, without having to resort to any specialist's letter or whatsoever. Really godlike sia.

Anyway, just imagine you're the MO and you have to attend to these bastards. You know from the bottom of your heart that they're perfectly fine and fit, but they get to dodge the tougher aspects of military life just because of a piece paper. Man, it just makes your blood boil (inevitably due to envy too) and the next time you see a NSF patient, this question will no doubt come to your mind, "Is this asshole faking or what?"

[stellazio]

really, how do you define chan geng? i have a similar condition to this guy, and unless you put that guy with the particular ailment to test else his condition won't show, and once his condition comes up it might just be too late. so tell me, what exactly is chao geng?

Precisely, as there is no real definition to chao keng, who are we to judge?
must it take a guy's life to be in permanent peril for the others to make sure that such a mistake will no longer happen? His condition was showing, but they didn't care, obviously there's negligence on their part, officers learn how to charge others, how nice is it to see themselves getting charged themselves.

If the SAF medical board approves of your condition and recognizes it, then nobody including your pc, oc and co's should have the authority to not grant your request less said punish. Or for this matter, accuse one of chao kenging or malingering in their offical terms.

[stellazio]

dont open mouth and push blame to others. a nsf will always be a nsf, no matter 1 bar or private. super chiong sua or chao geng also nsf. u think a captain will bother treating a 1 bar or private differently? maybe only difference is 1 bar got more sai kang to do cos pay higher. end of the day the regulars wont give a damn about u cos u're just another nsf - saf's cheap labour.

Regulars don't give a damn? Lets see how condemned they will be now after such a case has been leaked out. Am i pushing the blame? Why, do you feel accused that your small actions in one way or the other has led to a fine young man losing his eyesight? If not, why does it bother you?

[gunlogy]

all who been through will haf a common understanding and theres no way to deny whos right and wrong.

i hope this is clear.

[Philip]

dont open mouth and push blame to others. a nsf will always be a nsf, no matter 1 bar or private. super chiong sua or chao geng also nsf. u think a captain will bother treating a 1 bar or private differently? maybe only difference is 1 bar got more sai kang to do cos pay higher. end of the day the regulars wont give a damn about u cos u're just another nsf - saf's cheap labour.

Dude, while I fully agree on your analysis, I don't see it as a valid excuse for your actions.

I will spare you the name calling but there's nothing much I can say about your integrity. Though you may brand people like us as stupid, at least we have done our part for our families and loved one.

Lastly, I'm sure there are many NSFs with medical background who genuinely deserve your place in SAF. Remember, there are only finite numbers of service vocations to fill.

Phil

[mosura]

Regulars don't give a damn? Lets see how condemned they will be now after such a case has been leaked out. Am i pushing the blame? Why, do you feel accused that your small actions in one way or the other has led to a fine young man losing his eyesight? If not, why does it bother you?

regulars NEVER did give a damn. working at hq side i very well know how they look at the nsfs. they're too busy trying to gain credit for themselves as to bother about lowly nsfs. it's every man for himself. i'm was a chao geng and i openly admit it. why? because i want an easy life during my NS and reservist. i want to work in an air con environment and meet my gf after 5.30pm. i feel with my diploma qualification i don't deserve to be treated like a dog in the hot sun training for a war which will never happen. most importantly, i will never do something which will yield no benefit to myself. in bmt i often get stares of jealousy and disgust while they work in the hot sun and i go back to my bunk to sleep. i find it very strange as the medical center is just a few steps away and reporting sick is simple as hell. i guess they rather suffer in silence then have the balls to speak up and report sick. to me "integrity" is all a facade, end of the day is how fat your wallet is. do i feel bad about the poor guy losing his sight? a little, but that's how it is in the army. nsfs are as dispensible as the regulars' tissue paper on their desks. it doesn't matter if the chao gengs "bastards" spoil market or whatever stupid excuse for the chap's misfortune. he just simply didnt try hard enough to get what he wanted. the army doesnt owe anyone a living and i dont see how it should be any different with this guy. maybe im selfish, but similar to its the real world out there. u think a boss will even bother to employ or be kind enough to transfer away someone with such an allergy? ha think again. end of my 2 years i got a much better report card and a fatter wallet then those who gave me the stares back in bmt. to sum up, i believe everyone has the right to choose the kind of life he wants, irregardless of army or not. if u would rather leave everything to fate, then dont blame others for having a better life then u just because they chose to.

[Evange]

training for a war which will never happen.

Damn sad. If this what young Singaporeans think, then I better migrate soon....

[mosura]

Dude, while I fully agree on your analysis, I don't see it as a valid excuse for your actions.


please do not think too highly of yourself. firstly i dont see a need to give any excuses to anyone.


I will spare you the name calling but there's nothing much I can say about your integrity. Though you may brand people like us as stupid, at least we have done our part for our families and loved one.

i never did brand people who conform to fate stupid. u merely assumed i did, or do u really feel u are? to me its all a matter of choices. everyone's free to choose how they want to spend the 2 years. maybe doing YOUR part for YOUR family is serving the nation. my part is to earn lots of money to let them live a comfortable life. afterall, there's always u to protect the nation for me and i'm sure thats good enough, no? ;)


Lastly, I'm sure there are many NSFs with medical background who genuinely deserve your place in SAF. Remember, there are only finite numbers of service vocations to fill.

Phil

so conform to fate and suffer for the 2 years?
sorry i'm not so magnanimous.

[stellazio]

regulars NEVER did give a damn. working at hq side i very well know how they look at the nsfs. they're too busy trying to gain credit for themselves as to bother about lowly nsfs. it's every man for himself. i'm was a chao geng and i openly admit it. why? because i want an easy life during my NS and reservist. i want to work in an air con environment and meet my gf after 5.30pm. i feel with my diploma qualification i don't deserve to be treated like a dog in the hot sun training for a war which will never happen. most importantly, i will never do something which will yield no benefit to myself. in bmt i often get stares of jealousy and disgust while they work in the hot sun and i go back to my bunk to sleep. i find it very strange as the medical center is just a few steps away and reporting sick is simple as hell. i guess they rather suffer in silence then have the balls to speak up and report sick. to me "integrity" is all a facade, end of the day is how fat your wallet is. do i feel bad about the poor guy losing his sight? a little, but that's how it is in the army. nsfs are as dispensible as the regulars' tissue paper on their desks. it doesn't matter if the chao gengs "bastards" spoil market or whatever stupid excuse for the chap's misfortune. he just simply didnt try hard enough to get what he wanted. the army doesnt owe anyone a living and i dont see how it should be any different with this guy. maybe im selfish, but similar to its the real world out there. u think a boss will even bother to employ or be kind enough to transfer away someone with such an allergy? ha think again. end of my 2 years i got a much better report card and a fatter wallet then those who gave me the stares back in bmt. to sum up, i believe everyone has the right to choose the kind of life he wants, irregardless of army or not. if u would rather leave everything to fate, then dont blame others for having a better life then u just because they chose to.

Woah, what a machiavellian state we're living in. I think you would even sell off your grandma just to survive. I seriously wonder why you think so highly of yourself that you're beyond the country needs just because you're just a diploma holder.A war that will never happen? Well i do agree, because without NS, we will be taken over by other countries, and you probably won't even have the luxury to study and get that diploma of yours. Maybe you'll think that a scenario like the Japanese occupation needs to happen again to see that gf of yours whom you love to see after 5.30 everyday be tortured or raped or treated as a POW. The SAF is all about deterrence, we know full well ourselves that Singapore probably can't be defended for long but hey as long as we are still living in peace, its all due to NS. Glad you know you're selfish and machiavellian but maybe you'll like to look at the price people have to pay for our country's peace and then take a look at yourself.

[mosura]

Woah, what a machiavellian state we're living in. I think you would even sell off your grandma just to survive. I seriously wonder why you think so highly of yourself that you're beyond the country needs just because you're just a diploma holder.A war that will never happen? Well i do agree, because without NS, we will be taken over by other countries, and you probably won't even have the luxury to study and get that diploma of yours. Maybe you'll think that a scenario like the Japanese occupation needs to happen again to see that gf of yours whom you love to see after 5.30 everyday be tortured or raped or treated as a POW. The SAF is all about deterrence, we know full well ourselves that Singapore probably can't be defended for long but hey as long as we are still living in peace, its all due to NS. Glad you know you're selfish and machiavellian but maybe you'll like to look at the price people have to pay for our country's peace and then take a look at yourself.

don't need to curse my loved ones to prove your point. u remind me of the babarians back in tekong. :)
do you think a diploma holder should earn $350 a month and get screamed at? like i said, with a degree now and working in the banking industry, it's nice that singapore has people with your mentality to carry the guns while i continue to do my trades. :D

[Xavior]

seriously mosura...
you are the type of people which will make the world a better place if you dont exist at all.

And you know what? i wonder what your boss would think if he reads what you said here. =)

But than again... i'm sure you are the type of coward that will do no such thing. LOL

[Puddie]

don't need to curse my loved ones to prove your point. u remind me of the babarians back in tekong. :)
do you think a diploma holder should earn $350 a month and get screamed at? like i said, with a degree now and working in the banking industry, it's nice that singapore has people with your mentality to carry the guns while i continue to do my trades. :D

Girl here.. but I wonder if that same girlfriend u would meet at 5.30pm is still with you? Cos if she is.. she's probably in it just for the fat (I suppose) paycheck you warrant in the banking industry. Cos you don't seem to possess any other viable qualities.... ah well..at least there's still the paycheck..unless, of course, your boss happens to chance upon this... =)

Getting a degree really inflated your already swell head..careful it doesn't burst one day... Though there won't be much of mess to clear up..seeing as it's all air in there.. :halo:

[isidore]

really, how do you define chan geng? i have a similar condition to this guy, and unless you put that guy with the particular ailment to test else his condition won't show, and once his condition comes up it might just be too late. so tell me, what exactly is chao geng?

very good point. in army there are cases where simply if u dont chao keng u may end up injured, permanently. i would say chao keng is also relative, would u call cut short one round 2.4km a chao keng?

[alexonforums]

i deferred my NS and was a degree holder when i entered NS. I can see where mosura is coming from totally cos i was an instructor and did both paperwork for some time for the bigwigs as well as doing the training "in the hot sun" part. I agree that there are people who would die without the air con and would rather just go home at 5.30 every day. I don't blame them. In fact a lot of them were damn nice guys and my friends, and i know thats what they aimed for 1st day in NS, regardless of their actual PES status, whereas some people prefer to be out in the field with the rest of the guys/NSFs. The thing with office work is that u only have regulars for company which can be a good or bad thing, whereas in the field, you can be sure its marjority NSFs or newly signed on regulars. Most of these fresh regulars are okay, just that they are very "on". but at least they are no hypocritical or political YET.

Well, i did paperwork for about 2 courses- roughly 3-5 months then got transferred to the training part for 3 courses taking on different batches, NSmen, obese batch, poly batch, JC batch, u name it.

and i can say that the most memorable part of my NS was the training. yes. it was tough and there were days when u wanna &%*&%^ the regulars because all the NSFs were doing the work. but hey, i enjoyed it simply because i could train these NSF newbies the way i thought was best for them so that when they went to the Unit, they were well prepared, both in their vocation and the rest of their NS life.

Nowadays even when i go back for reservist or even on the streets, some of them still recognize me as their instructor. I was lucky cos i had a good boss although majority of the regulars haizz...

at end of day, NS is really what you make of it. just don't let others manipulate you and dictate your actions. its true that regulars have their own agenda, but then again, they signed on! do you? if not, your agenda is just to pass the 2 years+. thats what i always tell my trainees. know your stuff well, so nobody can bully you or tell you that you are wrong. want to chao geng? just don't get others in trouble. be safe during the 2 years+. :D

don't need to curse my loved ones to prove your point. u remind me of the babarians back in tekong. :)
do you think a diploma holder should earn $350 a month and get screamed at? like i said, with a degree now and working in the banking industry, it's nice that singapore has people with your mentality to carry the guns while i continue to do my trades. :D

[isidore]

no personal insults please. its not so funny when u start on blaming the loved ones. even though i do not like how mosura is blatantly pimping his bullshit chaokengness, we're all but small peons in different experiences in a large organization.

[desaturated]

regulars NEVER did give a damn. working at hq side i very well know how they look at the nsfs. they're too busy trying to gain credit for themselves as to bother about lowly nsfs. it's every man for himself. i'm was a chao geng and i openly admit it. why? because i want an easy life during my NS and reservist. i want to work in an air con environment and meet my gf after 5.30pm. i feel with my diploma qualification i don't deserve to be treated like a dog in the hot sun training for a war which will never happen. most importantly, i will never do something which will yield no benefit to myself. in bmt i often get stares of jealousy and disgust while they work in the hot sun and i go back to my bunk to sleep. i find it very strange as the medical center is just a few steps away and reporting sick is simple as hell. i guess they rather suffer in silence then have the balls to speak up and report sick. to me "integrity" is all a facade, end of the day is how fat your wallet is. do i feel bad about the poor guy losing his sight? a little, but that's how it is in the army. nsfs are as dispensible as the regulars' tissue paper on their desks. it doesn't matter if the chao gengs "bastards" spoil market or whatever stupid excuse for the chap's misfortune. he just simply didnt try hard enough to get what he wanted. the army doesnt owe anyone a living and i dont see how it should be any different with this guy. maybe im selfish, but similar to its the real world out there. u think a boss will even bother to employ or be kind enough to transfer away someone with such an allergy? ha think again. end of my 2 years i got a much better report card and a fatter wallet then those who gave me the stares back in bmt. to sum up, i believe everyone has the right to choose the kind of life he wants, irregardless of army or not. if u would rather leave everything to fate, then dont blame others for having a better life then u just because they chose to.

you have your point ;)

btw can you please answer this question,

- A man offer you $200million British pound if you poisoned your best friends, your girlfriend and her family, and he guarantee that you will never get caught by anyone. With that money you can buy almost anything, live a better life and forget abt working, friends and girlfriend can always find new one. Will you take the offer? -

btw there is no right or wrong... just for my reference nia :D

[mosura]

seriously mosura...
you are the type of people which will make the world a better place if you dont exist at all.

And you know what? i wonder what your boss would think if he reads what you said here. =)

But than again... i'm sure you are the type of coward that will do no such thing. LOL


is that a dare? i am a kengster, u think the selfish kengsters would do ever anything stupid to put themselves in a predicament? but of course, im sure u're the brave knight in shining armour to kill all the bad guys!

Girl here.. but I wonder if that same girlfriend u would meet at 5.30pm is still with you? Cos if she is.. she's probably in it just for the fat (I suppose) paycheck you warrant in the banking industry. Cos you don't seem to possess any other viable qualities....

Getting a degree really inflated your already swell head..careful it doesn't burst one day... Though there won't be much of mess to clear up..seeing as it's all air in there.. :halo:

yeap she's still the same. how well do you know me to assume i do not have any other qualities? :confused2
i know i can run away pretty fast IF there ever is a war! :angel:

my head is still the same, i just dont like ns thats all. anything wrong with that? :confused2

and oh my goodness, all the cursings and name calling!
(to think i was polite enough never to do it back!)
i'm so hurt, really. :sad1:

[mosura]

you have your point ;)

btw can you please answer this question,

- A man offer you $200million British pound if you poisoned your best friends, your girlfriend and her family, and he guarantee that you will never get caught by anyone. With that money you can buy almost anything, live a better life and forget abt working, friends and girlfriend can always find new one. Will you take the offer? -

btw there is no right or wrong... just for my reference nia :D

no.
why?
i work hard to earn money because i want my future wife to live comfortably, my future kids to have a good education, my parents to have a comfortable retirement and to travel round the world with my friends. the 200mil is pointless when they're dead.

...i just dont like ns.

[Xils]

you have your point ;)

btw can you please answer this question,

- A man offer you $200million British pound if you poisoned your best friends, your girlfriend and her family, and he guarantee that you will never get caught by anyone. With that money you can buy almost anything, live a better life and forget abt working, friends and girlfriend can always find new one. Will you take the offer? -

btw there is no right or wrong... just for my reference nia :D

still need to ask meh? it should be quite obvious :D

[Puddie]

yeap she's still the same. how well do you know me to assume i do not have any other qualities? :confused2
i know i can run away pretty fast IF there ever is a war! :angel:

my head is still the same, i just dont like ns thats all. anything wrong with that? :confused2

and oh my goodness, all the cursings and name calling!
(to think i was polite enough never to do it back!)
i'm so hurt, really. :sad1:

Well now, about that other qualities bit.. I'm sure bravery isn't one of them now, is it? Since you'll run so fast in the event of a war? :halo:

Just wonder if you'll drag her (the gf) along in such an event... and whether you'll run so fast and she'll be unable to keep up and hence get dragged through the mud....

As for the name calling.. references to perfectly innocent parts of the anatomy..does that really count? ;)

[alexonforums]

people are going really off topic here...

[floppy]

relax and peace out guys.

[mosura]

Well now, about that other qualities bit.. I'm sure bravery isn't one of them now, is it? Since you'll run so fast in the event of a war? :halo:

Just wonder if you'll drag her (the gf) along in such an event... and whether you'll run so fast and she'll be unable to keep up and hence get dragged through the mud....

As for the name calling.. references to perfectly innocent parts of the anatomy..does that really count? ;)

u see it as bravery, sorry but i see it as stupidity. if your husband's the sold breadwinner for the family would u send him to war?

how about this scenerio, you were given a choice to allow your husband to BUY a ticket for your whole family on a plane to another country and be a stowaway, or to stay behind and fight the war, which would u choose?

i have to admit, you're pretty imaginative on the dragging in mud part. keep 'em coming!

[ColdFusion]

NS is here for a reason. It is going to stay, no matter what;

but the issue here is not whether nsf keng or not keng.

he defiintely have allergy isues. what im surprised is that he did not approach higher medical authorities? seek specialist advices, etc. NSF medical treatment is FOC anyway. or perhaps there are some reasons that we are unaware? i didnt read thru all the entries in the blog.

with a specialist letter to show MO,i believe MO or that Maj do not have the full authority to override? am i right? eg: this nsf is excused from carrying heavy load yet maj insist him to carry a full field pack and if nsf fall and break some bones, what will happen?

if that maj is such an ASSHOLE and disregard medical issues (with proper documentations..etc), blogger should had called saf hotline? or follow the chain of cmd?

[floppy]

NS is here for a reason. It is going to stay, no matter what;

but the issue here is not whether nsf keng or not keng.

he defiintely have allergy isues. what im surprised is that he did not approach higher medical authorities? seek specialist advices, etc. NSF medical treatment is FOC anyway. or perhaps there are some reasons that we are unaware? i didnt read thru all the entries in the blog.

with a specialist letter to show MO,i believe MO or that Maj do not have the full authority to override? am i right? eg: this nsf is excused from carrying heavy load yet maj insist him to carry a full field pack and if nsf fall and break some bones, what will happen?

if that maj is such an ASSHOLE and disregard medical issues (with proper documentations..etc), blogger should had called saf hotline? or follow the chain of cmd?
like i said when you're lead by fear and you don't know your rights well things like this will happen.

[ColdFusion]

like i said when you're lead by fear and you don't know your rights well things like this will happen.

so that maj is an asshole after all. and not to mention incompetent MOs? if blogger is in HQ side, what abt his chief clerk? okay. his cc is a bitch too.

what about the other NSF? why didnt other NSF give sound advice? his colleagues are assholes too.

[Puddie]

u see it as bravery, sorry but i see it as stupidity. if your husband's the sold breadwinner for the family would u send him to war?

how about this scenerio, you were given a choice to allow your husband to BUY a ticket for your whole family on a plane to another country and be a stowaway, or to stay behind and fight the war, which would u choose?

i have to admit, you're pretty imaginative on the dragging in mud part. keep 'em coming!

Very hypothetical here seeing as I'm not married. Honestly, no choice if he gets called up right? Only those with your prodiguous skill, chao kenging experience and long legs can somehow transport yourself (not sure about loved ones) far far away. Will they be left in the mud?

I don't claim to be the most loyal citizen, nor do I like the way the country's run. You say you don't like NS, that's fair enough, and believe it or not I don't have an issue with that.

What I find disturbing is how arrogant you seem to be just because you have a degree and a job in the banking industry. Much to the extent of putting down a fellow forummer for a tongue in cheek comment, which, to be honest, was quite witty.

What also leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth (again, an innocent part of the anatomy) is how you defended yourself (again with the hint of arrogance) against other comments which started off innocently enough.

Wake up and smell the roses, dude. A degree means naught and there's a reason why attrition in the banking industry is so rampant. Speaking from one degree holder to another... :thumbsup:

[mosura]

NS is here for a reason. It is going to stay, no matter what;

but the issue here is not whether nsf keng or not keng.

he defiintely have allergy isues. what im surprised is that he did not approach higher medical authorities? seek specialist advices, etc. NSF medical treatment is FOC anyway. or perhaps there are some reasons that we are unaware? i didnt read thru all the entries in the blog.

with a specialist letter to show MO,i believe MO or that Maj do not have the full authority to override? am i right? eg: this nsf is excused from carrying heavy load yet maj insist him to carry a full field pack and if nsf fall and break some bones, what will happen?

if that maj is such an ASSHOLE and disregard medical issues (with proper documentations..etc), blogger should had called saf hotline? or follow the chain of cmd?

technically, a specialist letter will make any army MO or MAJ cower in fear. medical testimonials from specialists still supercedes almost everything. however, there is a "blacklist" of specialists which MOs do raise an eyebrow regarding medical cases.

saf hotline is useless for nsfs, only when regulars call it to complain against another regular then it's a really a force to be reckon with.

[mosura]

blah blah blah

then maybe you should step aside as u're pretty much a spare since u do not really have anything constructive to contribute, besides adding fuel to fire.

ultimately, we'll see who drives the bigger car.
then again there will come the torrent of cliche criticisms on why money isn't everything, blah blah i could go on forever.

so what did u study? u sound almost not proud of yourself to have gotten a degree. did u take something arts related?

[Puddie]

then maybe you should step aside as u're pretty much a spare since u do not really have anything constructive to contribute, besides adding fuel to fire.

ultimately, we'll see who drives the bigger car.
then again there will come the torrent of cliche criticisms on why money isn't everything, blah blah i could go on forever.

so what did u study? u sound almost not proud of yourself to have gotten a degree. did u take something arts related?

Ahhh.. There you go..I give reasons why I found your attitude offensive and you debase my comments to 'blah blah blah'. Nothing better to say eh?

School didn't teach you much, did it? Besides looking down on others and not taking their point of view into account?

Once again, the arrogance shows itself. What did I study? Certainly nothing that's comparable to your level of education... :P

Mods..I rest my case. This creature's attitude is plain for all to see. I quoted him, so he can't alter what he said earlier anyway, if he's desperate to make himself appear better... :angel:

[sibeisian]

I usually dun post on the forums unless i need to seek advises regarding hardware.

Mosura.... while it is good to see that you are a family oriented person and that you are fighting to make sure they live a comfortable life. However I hope you can take note that all these things you give to your family can be easily taken away in a blink of eye if there is no people willingly to defend the land.

Take a look at the Iraq war. Take a look at the history books. Even there is no war, terrorism still exists. I do not think that you will feel good if if your family get caught on one of these bomb blasts.
Regardless you are in the air con room or out in the sun, you are contributing to the infrastructure which allows you to provide comfort to your family.I hope you should at least respect this.

I understand it is not a pleasant experience to out in the sun. Most of us do not like it either and most of us probably are scarred by it. Most of us are not knights in shining armor, we are just foot soldiers. I have orded for around 5 years.... My kneecap still hurts and my skin problem will not go away.

But please be aware that there are many people who really need medical attention. Going to MO to complain about nonexistent problems will deprive others, who need the MO, of chances to see the MO.

Basically what i mean is it is not wrong to dislike NS. But it is our responsibilities to serve it. I respect your way of doing things but in the context of Singapore, it is not beneficial to anyone, including you even you are just one person.

[floppy]

then maybe you should step aside as u're pretty much a spare since u do not really have anything constructive to contribute, besides adding fuel to fire.

ultimately, we'll see who drives the bigger car.
then again there will come the torrent of cliche criticisms on why money isn't everything, blah blah i could go on forever.

so what did u study? u sound almost not proud of yourself to have gotten a degree. did u take something arts related?
mosura and Puddie, time to stop the bickering, you guys going off topic. back to topic, how much do you think SAF will compensate this guy?

[mosura]

Ahhh.. There you go..I give reasons why I found your attitude offensive and you debase my comments to 'blah blah blah'. Nothing better to say eh?

u're not my mother, any reason y should i bother whether u're dead or alive, not to mention whatever comes out from your mouth?


School didn't teach you much, did it? Besides looking down on others and not taking their point of view into account?


poly i studied media, uni i studied finance. and i dont remember having lessons on "taking people's point of view into account" in primary and secondary. do u?


Once again, the arrogance shows itself. What did I study? Certainly nothing that's comparable to your level of education... :P


im guessing you did arts. thank god i left media or else i'll be swatting flies for the next half of my life.

[mosura]

mosura and Puddie, time to stop the bickering, you guys going off topic. back to topic, how much do you think SAF will compensate this guy?

that i'm not sure. i've got a friend who broke his arm during training and got 8k. however, the SAF will be rather "reluctant" to compensate and will come up with a million reasons how not to pay him. they will however, compensate for all his medical expenses for his surgery.

[floppy]

that i'm not sure. i've got a friend who broke his arm during training and got 8k. however, the SAF will be rather "reluctant" to compensate and will come up with a million reasons how not to pay him. they will however, compensate for all his medical expenses for his surgery.
I've got a regular friend who broke his back while in service. he was compensated with a mere 17k and has to live with 2 degenerated discs and 2 slip discs for the rest of his life... sigh.

[mosura]

I've got a regular friend who broke his back while in service. he was compensated with a mere 17k and has to live with 2 degenerated discs and 2 slip discs for the rest of his life... sigh.

OUCH. thats damn suay cos i think if regular can henta kaki liao...
not to mention army isnt iron rice bowl like last time anymore. :mad:

[floppy]

OUCH. thats damn suay cos i think if regular can henta kaki liao...
not to mention army isnt iron rice bowl like last time anymore. :mad:
discharged and i know that sucks. sigh. He's a good guy, protects his man but sad to say superiors arent as nice. I have to say that there's still a handful of regulars with integrity, who shield their men just like how a superior should shield their subordinates.

[mosura]

discharged and i know that sucks. sigh. He's a good guy, protects his man but sad to say superiors arent as nice. I have to say that there's still a handful of regulars with integrity, who shield their men just like how a superior should shield their subordinates.

when i was in hq side, as the captains there were the smallest ranking regulars there so they would often come chit chat with us NSFs. what i learnt from them is that it's very political environment inside the army for the regulars. officers only care about producing results. the higher the regulars climb, the more afraid they are about losing their position. they'll really do insane things just to wayang to others.. cos it just takes 1 wrong move and can say bye bye to promotion already. somemore the high ranking ones are only nice to each other because they can make use of one another. if they think u're useless they won't even bother about u. it's really a dog eat dog world power-hungry organisation. however, the ones with the least worries are actually the NSFs and the WOsies (sergeants). i made a close friend with a captain in my office and he told me a few times that he regretted signing up as an officer. he'd rather be on the ground with his men as a sergeant and chiong sua, cos the results driven environment was too much for him to take. after i orded, he tendered his resignation a year later to pursue his masters at a local uni.

did your friend sign on for life? to be honest, as the army is a very physical grueling career, doing anymore strenous physical activities will probably worsen his condition. from what i know, to promote fast in the army, a regular must at least have a significant amount of time chionging sua before he is given a good estab in the formation he's gonna be posted to in the future. your friend will probably downgrade to a C_L9 which forbids outfield duties (an important part in a regulars career if he want to rise in ranks).

[simplyadvanced]

sometimes, you might have to look at the bigger picture and realise its the system and not the individual that makes all the difference (and all the mistakes)

being able to cheat the system is not the most easy thing to do, and if you have the skill to do so i don't see why not. Following what the average guy does just makes you an average guy, after all.

[cyberdog]

mosura, just be wary that this sort of argument can be a slippery slope. u try to limit it to the fact that u hate NS, but what if one day you hate work? others who u think are less capable get promoted so it's time to take charge of your own life again. when u r presented with an easy way to make lots of money, will u also say there is no right and wrong and only a matter of whether you will get caught? rogue traders, embezzlers etc all have their own stories. if you speak with them, they often have very convincing-sounding explanations why they think their actions are justified. after all, they are merely choosing not to be a peon in the rat race and are taking a short cut for themselves.

anyway, back to the topic at hand... i must admit i have had my fair share of this issue from both sides of the fence. back in NS days i was twice thought to be malingering and the feeling was terrible when u r disbelieved. it's frustrating when you feel pain that the doctors cannot or refuse to diagnose. end up just taking more and more pain killers. then recently my fren in reservist got downgraded coz he's certified as allergic to UV rays i.e. cannot go out into the sun. and almost all of us make fun of the downgrade reason and ridicule him. later on, i realised it's a really sucky condition coz he can't even go beach or go swimming.so, even though i was at the receiving end before, when i heard of the guy's reason for downgrading, i couldn't help but think initially that he must have been exaggerating his condition.

really pity this guy if he has lost so much of his eyesight. pray for the best for him ba.

[ktk]

how much do you think SAF will compensate this guy?

the cost of 2 normal human eyeballs ,
counts of negligence ,
irresponsibility,
ignorance,
physical and mental abuse
and public apology for all the people like him who suffered under the SAF iron fist rule.

but its SG, fuck it, just blow shit up faster.:evil2:

they treat u like terrorist, u treat them like terrorist.

[Ar3s]

the evil of men in the army is getting worse. hope they get what they deserve for doing this to another human being.

[Xavior]

i deferred my NS and was a degree holder when i entered NS. I can see where mosura is coming from totally cos i was an instructor and did both paperwork for some time for the bigwigs as well as doing the training "in the hot sun" part. I agree that there are people who would die without the air con and would rather just go home at 5.30 every day. I don't blame them. In fact a lot of them were damn nice guys and my friends, and i know thats what they aimed for 1st day in NS, regardless of their actual PES status, whereas some people prefer to be out in the field with the rest of the guys/NSFs. The thing with office work is that u only have regulars for company which can be a good or bad thing, whereas in the field, you can be sure its marjority NSFs or newly signed on regulars. Most of these fresh regulars are okay, just that they are very "on". but at least they are no hypocritical or political YET.

Well, i did paperwork for about 2 courses- roughly 3-5 months then got transferred to the training part for 3 courses taking on different batches, NSmen, obese batch, poly batch, JC batch, u name it.

and i can say that the most memorable part of my NS was the training. yes. it was tough and there were days when u wanna &%*&%^ the regulars because all the NSFs were doing the work. but hey, i enjoyed it simply because i could train these NSF newbies the way i thought was best for them so that when they went to the Unit, they were well prepared, both in their vocation and the rest of their NS life.

Nowadays even when i go back for reservist or even on the streets, some of them still recognize me as their instructor. I was lucky cos i had a good boss although majority of the regulars haizz...

at end of day, NS is really what you make of it. just don't let others manipulate you and dictate your actions. its true that regulars have their own agenda, but then again, they signed on! do you? if not, your agenda is just to pass the 2 years+. thats what i always tell my trainees. know your stuff well, so nobody can bully you or tell you that you are wrong. want to chao geng? just don't get others in trouble. be safe during the 2 years+. :D

It's not to say that i dont see things from that guy's point of view.
I mean, i sure do hate NS. I'd love to take up a 8-5 post like his.
But because of him chao genging, those who really needs to see the MO, those who really need the days of MC that he's taken? As long as you chao geng, you get others into trouble. And look at his other replies? He has already admitted that he's selfish.
Every man for himself? but yet no man's an island? irony aint it?

That said, back to topic.
MO can override MCs.. i think that's the most they can override..
It happened to my camp. Because of TOO MANY CHAO GENGers. the higher ups decided that everyone needs to come back to camp even if you have MC to have it approved by MO.

[ktk]

It's not to say that i dont see things from that guy's point of view.
I mean, i sure do hate NS. I'd love to take up a 8-5 post like his.
But because of him chao genging, those who really needs to see the MO, those who really need the days of MC that he's taken? As long as you chao geng, you get others into trouble. And look at his other replies? He has already admitted that he's selfish.
Every man for himself? but yet no man's an island? irony aint it?

That said, back to topic.
MO can override MCs.. i think that's the most they can override..
It happened to my camp. Because of TOO MANY CHAO GENGers. the higher ups decided that everyone needs to come back to camp even if you have MC to have it approved by MO.

alot of smart pple in ur camp! :angel:

u can keng = u smart.

u cannot then dun sour grape.

upper pple math fail mah, so many CK then find out bout fuck-up.

win,laio. :sweat::rolleyes

[bluecoral]

i belong to the signal company and as many has reputated us...
it is the company with the most chao keng ppl or all the bai ka bai jiu...

but seriously to be frank despite all the SHITS and arrows shoot to us, we as platoon mates and camp mates really enjoyed ourselves.

it depends on how one treat army life and not how the army life treats them...
yes all kinds of shits happen in the army, but in real life all shits still happen what... just becos u are confined and wear uniform does not make it different just that well u are being tied to the miltary rules and well u cant escape.

anyway my bro got injured in the army also was downgraded and his arms got 2 screw in it... but then the army din pay much for it also... haiz...

now that he has eye cancer and hopefully had recovered from it. well despite the fact of losing one eye to the disease.
i doubt the army will compensate him anything since his occurence of the cancer symptoms is during army time and yet the MO or Specialist in CGH din really found out that all his migraine and blurred vision is due to eye cancer.

this guy well should have think of something for himself.
really i think fear went too deep in him that he cant think to get around the system.
haiz... really poor thing lah so young nia...

and too all the chao kengs ppl, it is the same situation everywhere u go... once a kengster u will always be a kengster in life...
u will always try to go around the system...
not that it is bad or what.. but then sometimes do think about the others beside u when u keng...

u keng one week MC, u see how xiong ur colleagues will be covering ur duties... it is the same everywhere...

[Puddie]

u're not my mother, any reason y should i bother whether u're dead or alive, not to mention whatever comes out from your mouth?

You chose to disregard floppy's word and responded with an apparent lack of manners - I'm guessing you'll say he's not your father, and you don't care whatever comes out of his mouth.

poly i studied media, uni i studied finance. and i dont remember having lessons on "taking people's point of view into account" in primary and secondary. do u?

Not in primary and secondary, perhaps, but in JC, which you didn't enter. I chose the seemingly traditional route to college...


im guessing you did arts. thank god i left media or else i'll be swatting flies for the next half of my life.

Media most certainly isn't for the material minded individual. Careful what you say about the swatting flies, though, I'm certainly not in that state and you're actually communicating here on the property of a local media company.

You talk about whose car is biggest; even the most uncouth can have the biggest cars and the largest property, and they don't necessarily need to have a degree in finance.;)

@mods: delete this if you find it inappropriate. I apologise for straying off topic. It's just really amusing for him to be insulting the media while using it at the same time.

[ktk]

puddie, dun need to blicker with that M person lar.

some boys remain boys even after NS...

[mosura]

You chose to disregard floppy's word and responded with an apparent lack of manners - I'm guessing you'll say he's not your father, and you don't care whatever comes out of his mouth.


of course he aint my father and if he starts to insult me for that regard, i'll probably laugh it off. however, i'm guessing u surely have manners yourself by disregarding his word and straying off-topic again?


Not in primary and secondary, perhaps, but in JC, which you didn't enter. I chose the seemingly traditional route to college...


good for u. so do u have a nice job now that u've took that special lessons which i didn't?


You talk about whose car is biggest; even the most uncouth can have the biggest cars and the largest property, and they don't necessarily need to have a degree in finance.;)


and if u ever so see someone like that in your near future, what are u gonna do about it? whine to your friends that he's more sucessful then u? im guessing u're just gonna shrug it off and mumble to yourself how life isn't fair.

[Puddie]

puddie, dun need to blicker with that M person lar.

some boys remain boys even after NS...

The question is: Did your time in TW make a better/worse person outta you? Chao kenging aside? :)

Niwae, had a friend who had a similar thing happen to him while in army, through no fault. Not so bad, but his vision is perpetually blur and he was training to be a doc. Can't be cured and glasses don't help, according to the specialist he saw.

He sees the SAF as an eff-ed up place but is still glad of his citizenship. Indo-Chinese guy who more or less sees himself as a citizen of the world as he's lived in many places.

No compensation dah... not even for the specialist he saw..good thing he still managed to continue with his studies... I wonder what this guy's prospects are..

[Gollum]

mmm mr mosura. you have no right to dislike ns cause u did not go through it in the first place.

if money is that important to you, you would have went for ocs or did the obese batch did not accept ocs candidate?

btw i keng when i ord. no reservist no nothing.

i maxed out the financial gains from ns. but what u did garners scorn from others.

ps : btw those other humans that try to call you on the phone to ask you out are called friends

pss : losing a lot from the recent market?

[mosura]

mmm mr mosura. you have no right to dislike ns cause u did not go through it in the first place.

if money is that important to you, you would have went for ocs or did the obese batch did not accept ocs candidate?

btw i keng when i ord. no reservist no nothing.

i maxed out the financial gains from ns. but what u did garners scorn from others.

ps : btw those other humans that try to call you on the phone to ask you out are called friends

pss : losing a lot from the recent market?

heheh i know what u're trying to do here.. :P

i was from the leadership batch - the "chosen" ones for command school - or so they claim. i told the SIT test evaluator on the first day not to sign me up for all these ego-tripping nonsense and i wanted a 8-5 aircon job.

in BMT, sure i had scorn and looks of disgust but it didnt really matter as these recruits, 1 bars, 3 stripes or whatnot are in an island hellhole with me and probably cant do much to help in my situation either.

when i ORDed, the 3 crabs and 1 stars were full of praises and reluctant to sign my clearance form. ever seen a C9L9 ord a CFC who doesnt even need to do IPPT? it was unheard of back then although these days they give out like water.. damn. :lookdown:

oh im sure u maxed out the financial gains for ns. good for u! i started a small online business and coupled with the $400+ they gave me i earned much more then a 1 bar every month. not to mention to have the time to take lessons for my degree after work everyday. "time" is a luxury army cant give most of the NSFs, but from day 1 all i wanted was that.

[LgO-sluglives]

army is what it is, nothing more, nothing less.
its not perfect just like our parents as nothing is ever perfect.

I don't take pride in crossing that street but I am thankful that nothing happened while I was crossing it. But if you manage to find 50 bucks on the road while crossing it than good for you, ya a lucky bugger.

and suay things happen all the time, not just during national service.

peace.

[Evange]

Well, back to the topic. For the plaintiff's case, if he hires a good lawyer, the amount of damages he can claim can be really promising. He can sue for negligence, emotional distress, loss of income (his family), nervous shock (his parents maybe), man the list is endless.

Well, last but not least, mosura dude, the impression you're giving me is that you believe your brain has a special little compartment which deals specifically with NS related issues and it can differentiate between "after NS" and "during NS" matters. You sincerely believe that your attitude towards NS will not affect your future endeavours but trust me, dealing with something that affects that precious 2 years ain't that dissimilar from other aspects of life. But seeing how content you are with your present lifestyle, you'll be thinking i'm just another whiner or goody two-shoes preacher.

PS: This will be my last time reading this thread so dun bother rebutting my post... :D

[mosura]

Well, back to the topic. For the plaintiff's case, if he hires a good lawyer, the amount of damages he can claim can be really promising. He can sue for negligence, emotional distress, loss of income (his family), nervous shock (his parents maybe), man the list is endless.

Well, last but not least, mosura dude, the impression you're giving me is that you believe your brain has a special little compartment which deals specifically with NS related issues and it can differentiate between "after NS" and "during NS" matters. You sincerely believe that your attitude towards NS will not affect your future endeavours but trust me, dealing with something that affects that precious 2 years ain't that dissimilar from other aspects of life. But seeing how content you are with your present lifestyle, you'll be thinking i'm just another whiner or goody two-shoes preacher.

PS: This will be my last post in this thread so dun bother rebutting me... :D

it's no point sueing the army. he's just one the few million similar cases which happen so often inside the shithole. they won't bother and probably find 1 million excuses to push the blame back to the poor fella.

i'm just someone who likes to maximize my returns in whatever investments i make. irregardless monetary or not. i will NEVER do something which will yield no benefit to myself, or to my loved ones for all that matter. i think its wasting my time while i can probably do something else and yield more gains. the irony of it all, here i am wasting time replying forums instead of doing something constructive.

ah well.

[eleewhm]

somebody write a email to them citing this and cc to CNA Today STforums

[Philip]

somebody write a email to them citing this and cc to CNA Today STforums

Assistant Chief of the General Staff (Operations)
COL Benedict LIM
67683116
benedict_lim@mindef.gov.sg

Chief of Defence Force
LG Desmond KUEK Bak Chye
67682150
Desmond_KUEK@mindef.gov.sg

Local media will not put up such stories, but I'm sure BBC and CNN would love to give it a go.

Phil

[eleewhm]

Local media will not put up such stories, but I'm sure BBC and CNN would love to give it a go.

Phil

CNN and BBC.. hahahahaha

[stellazio]

No use debating with him over this subject, because he sees it from a different point of view. But from what i can gather and have already guessed, this guy is machiavellian and will auction off his grandma for money in order to survive as he has no morals.

Maybe he didn't think that if everyone did the same as him and kenged their way to a 8-5 job, then perhaps that company he's working for, won't even be hiring him nor will he be able to get his degree, but rather like most of us, we'll be slaves to whoever owns singapore because there's no force to deter others from simply coming in and rule us.

[Philip]

No use debating with him over this subject, because he sees it from a different point of view. But from what i can gather and have already guessed, this guy is machiavellian and will auction off his grandma for money in order to survive as he has no morals.

Maybe he didn't think that if everyone did the same as him and kenged their way to a 8-5 job, then perhaps that company he's working for, won't even be hiring him nor will he be able to get his degree, but rather like most of us, we'll be slaves to whoever owns singapore because there's no force to deter others from simply coming in and rule us.

Dude... we got the point and can see his character but perhaps it's not very nice to implicate his family.

Phil

[mosura]

No use debating with him over this subject, because he sees it from a different point of view. But from what i can gather and have already guessed, this guy is machiavellian and will auction off his grandma for money in order to survive as he has no morals.

Maybe he didn't think that if everyone did the same as him and kenged their way to a 8-5 job, then perhaps that company he's working for, won't even be hiring him nor will he be able to get his degree, but rather like most of us, we'll be slaves to whoever owns singapore because there's no force to deter others from simply coming in and rule us.

i have no qualms about u speaking bad about my character as i do not deny that i'm a rather selfish asshole, and whatever comes out from your mouth or anyone's mouth are mere words. words are free and cheap.

but to bring my family into the picture in this argument also shows how much of the "morals" you speak of u have inside u. and btw, i cant sell my grandma cos she has already passed away.

[mosura]

this will be my last post in this forum topic. no, its not because i feel sorry for whatever i did in army, but i think i've wasted too much time and im starting to feel like a dumbass refreshing this page every once in a while for updates.

i find it hilarious to receive torrents of insults and criticisms questioning my character as a person, till it stretches how my life in the army will indefinitely mirror how well will i treat my loved ones in the future. i find it totally makes no sense till its laughable. i understand many of u still chose a traditional military path of carrying a weapon to defend our country. however, i feel the real defense of singapore isn't the rusty m16s u'd rather carry, but rather the economy of our small nation. how unbelievable as it may sound, i've always thought national service to be a necessity for the growth of singapore by fueling the confidence of foreign investments. BUT, i do not like going through it, thus came my selfish decision to make my personal army experience most enjoyable for myself. i still do miss my office once in a while as i have had quite a few pleasant memories working with my superiors overnight and over the weekend on presentations and seminar/training planning. i also had the priviledge to test prototype equipments before they're introduced to the various units. do i think i've contributed to the organisation? hell yes, definitely in more ways then one.

there're comments saying my actions indirectly caused this poor fella to go blind. i find it the most absurb as i see no link. chao kenging in the army has been around for a while and it's pretty much common sense the MOs will be extra suspicious when treating soldiers in a siong unit. how different will the MO look at me as compared to the other fella? i seriously do not know. all i know is the whole system is exploitable and i'm sucessful enough to beat it. like i've said in my previous posts, neither does singapore, nor the army owes anyone a living. accidents happen everywhere - in the field, in the comforts of your own office, in your toilet. but to be able to foresee the mishap coming and not do anything about it is the dumbest of all.

about my character in question, my gf has been with me when i went through army, and till the day today. how much of a materialist i may be, i will never abandon my loved ones during a war. call me a coward, but i'd rather run away with them then to fight and have a possibility of getting killed. not that i'm afraid of death, but what will happen to my family (wife especially) when i'm dead? i do not want to leave them behind and be a hero.

if any of my comments infurated any of the forumers here i sincerely apologise. but please do not bring my family into the picture as i truely love them dearly. good luck to all those enlisting. :thumb2:

[gunlogy]

mr mousura sure has his own way of thinking and i cannot deny tt he is wrong

but he seemed not to understand tt ppl are not flaming him for the CK factor, but rather the way he belittles others and this sort of influenced others to attack his character more in addition to being a CK-er

[stellazio]

Maybe i forgot to add the words if need be, because a person who's machiavellian only cares about the end, the profits and totally disregards the process in which he gets there nor the people he directly or indirectly harm along the way.

If you think Economy is so vital to Singapore, have you ever wondered what makes the Singapore economy so stable and secured? is it just because we have an abundance of degree and diploma holders or is it because it is safe here, and to whom do we owe that to?

As you said economy, you really think the goverment really likes spending millions of dollars on Mindef each year as well as making every male citizen year go through 2 years of his life serving and spending money on em rather then letting em go out to work and pay taxes back to Singapore? If Singapore had a choice, we would've done without NS. But because NS is necessary to Singapore, we can't and that is why we have to pay our dues for the stablity and the place that we call Singapore, our family, our home.

If you must know, i don't enjoy NS either, i lose out to my female peers, lose potentially thousands but i understand the need for it. Without NS, Singapore will not be the Singapore that we know today.

[mosura]

mr mousura sure has his own way of thinking and i cannot deny tt he is wrong

but he seemed not to understand tt ppl are not flaming him for the CK factor, but rather the way he belittles others and this sort of influenced others to attack his character more in addition to being a CK-er

a pretty good, but not necessarily accurate gauge of a man's worth is his bank account. if my pay check is fatter then yours, its pretty obvious who's the better man. unless of course, u would rather micro the comparison down to penis size, but that's another story altogether.

i'd rather keep climbing up and to look down below, then to stay at the bottom in the shithole. no man is equal. wake up and smell the thorns.

[cyberdog]

a pretty good, but not necessarily accurate gauge of a man's worth is his bank account. if my pay check is fatter then yours, its pretty obvious who's the better man. unless of course, u would rather micro the comparison down to penis size, but that's another story altogether.

i'd rather keep climbing up and to look down below, then to stay at the bottom in the shithole. no man is equal. wake up and smell the thorns.when all is said and done, wallets and money mean nothing. we all turn to ash. It's quite meaningless to suggest what is a good way to measure a man's worth coz no one would come up with the same criteria. i would certainly rank a kind-hearted average joe infinitely more worthy than a selfish, rich tycoon but I know you would disagree :)

At the end of the day i think you missed the point that many of us are not trying to convince you that you are wrong and we are right, but strangely you appear to be trying your utmost to convince us instead that all those who do not chao keng are stupidly wrong and only your way of thinking is right. That's why we are upset because you seek to label us stupid. Perhaps it's you yourself that you are trying to convince that you aren't the scum you actually think you are?

And maybe you want to communicate more with your wife and family first before you make decisions unilaterally for them use them as your excuse to be scummy... they may actually prefer to be less well off and have a braver, more "worthy" husband and father they can be proud of instead :o unless they think like you then i guess good for you all you can be one big happy family :D

[Philip]

I just hope he will never find himself on the receiving end one of these days, to be let down by selfish people who are unwilling to look beyond personal interests. Having said that, I'm also sure those who went through N.S the tough way will be in a much better position to appreciate the true meaning of "esprit de corps". No amount of money will buy you the sense of brotherhood through thick and thin, even though we all have no direct blood relations.

Phil

[mosura]

when all is said and done, wallets and money mean nothing. we all turn to ash. It's quite meaningless to suggest what is a good way to measure a man's worth coz no one would come up with the same criteria. i would certainly rank a kind-hearted average joe infinitely more worthy than a selfish, rich tycoon but I know you would disagree :)

im pretty sure u rank the average joe more worthy because i'm thinking u're one yourself and thus seek to be more equal then the rich tycoon in someway or the other (by your defination). afterall, there's nothing much u (an average joe) can offer.


At the end of the day i think you missed the point that many of us are not trying to convince you that you are wrong and we are right, but strangely you appear to be trying your utmost to convince us instead that all those who do not chao keng are stupidly wrong and only your way of thinking is right. That's why we are upset because you seek to label us stupid. Perhaps it's you yourself that you are trying to convince that you aren't the scum you actually think you are?


i really can't help it if the readers feel stupid after reading my words. it's just really too bad i got the better end of the deal. life isn't fair.

i shall ignore the family part as i believe u (the average joe with a kind-heart) did not really mean the insinuations on my family. unless of course, u would rather degenerate yourself to the "scum" (or so you claimed) like me and verbally abuse my loved ones.

i wish u success in having the kindest heart.

[Navanod]

"Loyalty to country DOES NOT equates loyalty to SAF"

Thats always my motto

Come on lah...Honor and glory is over rated...and PRIDE is People Rest I Do Extra

No one appreciates the NSFs, not even our own citizens, who lodged a complaint to Tekong that recruits booking out are stinking up the MRT on weekends...in the end, BMTC responded by making us do "parade" and "stand by" OURSELVES...brainless morons only know how to "stand by and parade"

guess what? we ended up sweating even more because we have to rush for the ferry thanks to the delay cause by the "parades"

[bluecoral]

do agree upon that ... anyway guys cool it down...
everyone has their own way of living and thinking ...

just do not drag ppl in or sacrifice people into the things you do...
have a healthy conscience instead of having motive in everything you do... i suppose this way u will be healthier

[Xavior]

@mosura: of course you would never want to see that link of how because of your "actions indirectly caused this poor fella to go blind".

Let's put it this way, during my time, the MO actually said that they have a max quota of how many MCs they can give. By taking up a spot in that quota, you have taken away someone elses spot.

You remind me of people in the management levels. But well, since you have already admit that you are selfish. That alot to be said about your character doesnt it?
O now you will reason that you are just selfish because it's NS.
Ha. Btw, you said you were doing an online biz, what biz is that? Just curious.

[mosura]

i sold japanese toys to the american market. my gf runs it now as i don't really have the time to post stuff everyday due to my work. it's really amazing how something worth SDG$5 can be sold for US$25 through the right channels. toys are hell lucrative. :)

[Xavior]

o.O care to give url? =P
Sorry for being too ot. lol.

[cyberdog]

im pretty sure u rank the average joe more worthy because i'm thinking u're one yourself and thus seek to be more equal then the rich tycoon in someway or the other (by your defination). afterall, there's nothing much u (an average joe) can offer.



i really can't help it if the readers feel stupid after reading my words. it's just really too bad i got the better end of the deal. life isn't fair.

i shall ignore the family part as i believe u (the average joe with a kind-heart) did not really mean the insinuations on my family. unless of course, u would rather degenerate yourself to the "scum" (or so you claimed) like me and verbally abuse my loved ones.

i wish u success in having the kindest heart.haha like i said, you read what you want to read. i wasn't casting aspertions on your family. in fact i was giving them the benefit of the doubt and merely insulting you but i guess as you have shown again and again, you'd rather tai chi all realities of your failings and transform them into your perceived inferiority of others. Funny thing is this time you've just painted your own family in that poor light, contrary to all your protestations about how highly you regard them :o so sad that you can't even see how idiotic you are making yourself appear and us average joes can clearly see you for the little that you truly are. but I guess that's teh only way to make yourself feel happy =)

And thanks for your compliment. i know i am an average joe but i didn't think i was kind hearted until now :o but then again, since you perceive me as kind, and you have proven to be a poor judge of character, i guess i must be really evil :D :laugh:

but seriously thanks for making my day. it was a normal average joe day until you lightened it up with your comedic delusions of grandeur. i always love a good illusion show >.<

[mosura]

blah blah.

i didn't say u were casting asperSions. i merely said u were insinuating.
do u know the difference?

apart from the degratory hogwash which i just skimmed through, i feel a familarity with a majority of the posters in this thread. quick to insult but never thinking of ways to upgrade themselves. is this a characteristic of your so called "average joes"? i wonder.

however, since u've openly admitted to be one guess we do not have much to talk about as u're probably of no worth to me (apart from giving me a form of mental stimulation reading your trash assertions). still, i'm rather glad i made your day.

good luck on the kind heart conquest, or whatever average joes' find meaningful in their lives. :)

[mosura]

o.O care to give url? =P
Sorry for being too ot. lol.

i don't trust u. however, i'm on ebay too. there isnt a huge list of singaporean sellers with a large toy inventory on ebay though. i'm probably 1 of them

[Xavior]

o.O dont trust me? *shrugs*
But it does raise a few questions like....
Why would you want to be so erm.. secretive with your online shop? What are you scared of? What is there to hide?

Now now, dont say you have nothing to be scared of, or there's nothing for you to hide. And that the reason is simply you dont trust me. I'm sure there's more to that.

[mosura]

o.O dont trust me? *shrugs*
But it does raise a few questions like....
Why would you want to be so erm.. secretive with your online shop? What are you scared of? What is there to hide?

Now now, dont say you have nothing to be scared of, or there's nothing for you to hide. And that the reason is simply you dont trust me. I'm sure there's more to that.

on the contary, i'm a little afraid of advertising it here after this flamewar episode. think what u wish to, but i'd rather be safe then sorry. besides, u dont look like a prospective customer.

[Xavior]

lol. why would you be afraid of advertising it here because of this flaming episode? by doing so, you are simply saying you are in the wrong.

And how would you know i dont look like a prospective customer? have you even seen me to know how i look?

Please dont find more excuses for yourself will ya?

[zero_88]

.
i really can't help it if the readers feel stupid after reading my words. it's just really too bad i got the better end of the deal. life isn't fair.

Life isn't a bed of roses.....no one will be on the top forever...

Human cannot fight fate...No matter how rich we have...how much we spend...is already predestined in our life....maybe you may think it is nonsense....but that what I believe....All I can say you are luckier than other....instead of smarter than other.

You weren't wrong....in term of action and idea...and yes, if war happen....I will of course take care of my family first...

Money isn't everything...being smart doesn't mean you can take life in your own hand...I have seem the even smarter people meet his downfall...due to his own arrogance....CK is a common thing.....but it is not something to be proud of....

I don't know whether you really plan it all by yourself...or being taught by someone else...your idea of to the road of "comfort" is really brilliant...but that doesn't mean the others is stupid....how about when you study in poly and university? do you still apply the same tactic?

If you have children...do you want to let your son know what have you done in NS? and let him know the truth of what you really are?

[Philip]

Hi Philip

I am a reporter here, and it seems that very alarming events have occurred regarding our army guys.

The truth of the situation should be revealed, if it is really due to the negligence of the officer.

Are you interested in a phone interview. I need more details about this, for a full article in the papers.

Thanks very much.

googling.add@gmail.com

Just received this thru PM. Would suggest u guys opt for a face-to-face interview and verify his credential before going ahead.

Phil

[dxter]

Why would that guy wanna interview you in the first place? Don't seem that you can add on anything informative about the blog's content. ???

Secret admirer ah?

[Philip]

Why would that guy wanna interview you in the first place? Don't seem that you can add on anything informative about the blog's content. ???

Secret admirer ah?

Dunno.. dun care... not interested.

Phil

[yongkimleng]

Reporter should go find that guy instead of us haha.

Anyways, everyone has their own way of lives. One person belittle-ing another.. we can all keep flaming mosura but does not change the fact that this is life. Other high-fliers have their own way of belittling people (remember ms elite uncaring face? :D and probably others from the league of elites) ..

With reference to this guy's medical case, personally I don't know why he wasn't able to get a downgrade earlier. Its much different from a usual CK case (back problem, leg pain, bla bla) coz an eye problem can be backed by specialists, medical test results and such I think. Think its hard to CK an eye problem too.

Its probable that his superiors and MO did not take his situation seriously due to the inflation of CK-ers in that unit, though his situation calls for immediate action rather than a delayed 'wait-for-medical-review'.

Personally won't generalise that all MOs are incompetent. But theres always a certain number of them which makes the distribution pretty balanced. They are, after all, more or less "NSF"s.

[ahrex21]

i juz ord in dec, am pes b n couldn't pass my ippt(onli took it once in bmt) n i wanted to downgrade bcos my knees hurt like hell. thought of CKing but decided against it. i was on mc for less den 5 days thru my 2 yrs in ns n it was for fever for those days. the truth is, i love my country a lot n i would do anything in my power to defend it. it all depends on one's perspective. i had that thinking in my mind since the day i enlisted n i have enjoyed every single day during my ns life. its true that there may be some superiors who wouldn't give two hoots to anyone other den themselves but lets not forget bout those who do. i must admit that i was very very lucky to have been in an unit which has a lot of good superiors. there r a few of those lousy superiors around, but those that i worked with were just gteat. they took care of their man, covered up for us if the mistake is not so grave, joke around n made us feel really like a family. we almost have not enough ppl everyday, but when our superiors gave us extra work to do due to e lack of manpower, we did it(though we complained a little). they would give us little treats time from time, n they would go out of their way to help us, whether it is personal or camp-related.

wat i wanna say is, it all depends on how u look at ur ns life. u can be positive n enjoy it throughout, or u can be negative n sulk throughout. sure u will have less to do if u CK in ns, but on the contrary, i think u will have a better experience if u dun. ur superiors will entrust more responsibilites to u, make u feel wanted n impt, ur fellow man will feel happy working with u, knowing that u r a responsible man n more good things will follow.

i cannot change ppl's point of view but i hope mine can help influence other's, no matter whether they have ORDed or those waiting to enlist. ENJOY LIFE AS IT IS N STAY POSITIVE IN NO MATTER WAT U DO N U WILL BE HAPPY ALWAYS! thats my motto in life!!

to the guy who went blind, i am really sorry to hear this n if there is anything in my power which i could do to help, i will.

[behling]

just see specialist la. MO all noob dog la. show them one spec letter all balls shrink. MO CANNOT overwrite spec letter. army no need hero, you no need suffer for nth. if really got pain see spec. spec give letter can liao. why you scared wat. army scared alot of tings lor the most they scared is press coverage and public opinion.

btw if you are getting the feeling that i am a CK god. fyi in my 2years of service i never took 1 day of MC. only saw the MO for ORD FFI. and i am not fit. i am pes B underweight. but i pass my IPPT lol

[yongkimleng]

@ahrex21:
cheers for good superiors :) owe my gd ns life to them.

TS any further news on that guy?

[ColdFusion]

don't be so garang. if you are in pain, see MO / Go polyclinic or family doctor get referral to see specialist. It's your health and you don't owe SAF anything.

Scared that ppl think that you chao keng? Screw it. You are not accountable to them. It's your body parts. If it's spoilt, you cannot ask your mum for warranty; neither u can ask SAF.

[agentsnake]

finish my ns back in 2004 from pes bp to pes b.. now doing reservist.. word of advice.. do wat u think u can do.. but dun overdo urself..as u noe urself better.. if they encourage u to push alittle bit further try to do as no pain no gain.. but its all up to u.. ur call.. as its ur body.. they can tekan u only soo much..

as for those chaokengs.. its their life to live.. but remember if such terrible things happen to us in spore.. who will live up to fight n defend?.. dun tell me u wanna hide ur desk n let them(enemies) take all what u have? such as ur properties/family/wife/gf?..trust me its not going to be a pretty sight nor experience..dats y we are educated with national education.. to remind the young sporeans.. of the importance NS.. if taken lightly.. all will be gone..

we are here as sporeans learn to fight n defend wat we have n life we live now.. the luxury we have.. if we dun fight.. all will be gone to darkages.. think smart n tactical.. we have enemies which cant be seen or u wanna wait till we are hit.. so best to take proactive measures..

as bros we sweat together n im sure ur able to make bonds after the end of ur bmt/ ns yrs..remembering the day chiong together n nite bunkin together...

end of story we are standing peacefuly on our own land where we sweat to defend..

my 2 cents tots..