OCS tips?

[Hurricaneboi]

Hey guys...I wanna get into OCS...enlisting April 9th.

Any tips on what I should work towards??

[simon80]

1) be guru
2) be active
3) try to be platoon IC
4) try to know everyone in your platoon
5) at least silver or gold for ippt
6) pass soc
7) show your ability in situational test
8) be smart

To lead . To excel . To overcome

[user_manutd]

get commissioned.
and enjoy reservist until 50yr old

[Hurricaneboi]

1) be guru
2) be active
3) try to be platoon IC
4) try to know everyone in your platoon
5) at least silver or gold for ippt
6) pass soc
7) show your ability in situational test
8) be smart

To lead . To excel . To overcome

hmmmm thanks!

I heard you have to be very humble too, right.

[Hurricaneboi]

get commissioned.
and enjoy reservist until 50yr old

:doh:

[zodi]

cannot help but wonder.. be guru in what ah?

[Hurricaneboi]

I think he means being a leader in the platoon/section in a very subtle type of way

[simon80]

cannot help but wonder.. be guru in what ah?

when the officer asked " i need volunteers !"
u raised up your hands and start shouting " me ! me ! me ! ... "

like a dumb arse
HAHAHA

[simon80]

hmmmm thanks!

I heard you have to be very humble too, right.

of cos ...
your platoon mates will need to vote for u in the appraisal

[krey]

wayang ur way to the top!

[iswandi7]

bro, my OC told me all the postings are already set even before you even enter NS...so just try your best but if you are obese batch best if you can pass IPPT, chances are 90% you will land in command school

[xcluded]

just wayang.

SAF and NS sucks.

[mosura]

most people who yearn to go ocs badly dont have much achievements in real life and thus see a need to prove themselves someway or the other. its a psychological thing. while others just automatically get into the leadership batch in bmt and then command school without even lifting a finger.

[simon80]

scholars and white horses is one category ..
not forgetting the chaokeng is also another category ..

some pple take it as a positive attitude while the others dont .. so pple feel proud being a chaokeng .. is just up to each individual

[krey]

proud to be a sportsman!
haha

[ongmite]

wayang...

[reddevil0728]

Will it help if you say you want to sign on?

[sWirL]

Will it help if you say you want to sign on?

I don't think so...'cos I have friends who signed on to be an officer during BMT days but didn't get into OCS eventually. But I'm not sure if there is any influence or whatsoever..=)

[sWirL]

Hey guys...I wanna get into OCS...enlisting April 9th.

Any tips on what I should work towards??

Actually my advice is to be yourself. Becoming an officer is not all about being garang and volunteering for everything. Because you can be garang but doing stupid things. Imagine telling your whole platoon of men to carry stores with their bare hands when putting on gloves will make it easier and safer for your men.

If you volunteer to do everything, it does not mean you can lead well. It may only mean you can be a very capable "men".

When you try too hard to be an officer, it may backfire on you eventually. I have a friend in BMT who is super garang and always express that he wants to be an officer to the whole platoon but he did not eventually enter.

However, there are some factors that are more important in your pursuit of being an officer. Though some may not be within your control...

1) CMPB test (forgot the term for it)
- It's the computerized test you do when at CMPB during your checkup.
2) IPPT
- You must pass it!! I nearly failed mine at the end of BMT..*phew*
3) Situational Test
- Show your leadership skills...but as suggested...don't try too hard. It will be super obvious to your peers and they won't like you

There are a few more but well..i'm sure many buddies here will be able to share their experiences. ;)

[peterpan777]

As an officer, never bad mouth your juniors, superiors, other cadets...etc
Just a tip from someone who's signed 21

[krey]

As an officer, never bad mouth your juniors, superiors, other cadets...etc
Just a tip from someone who's signed 21


as an NSF
never insult your superiors.

just a tip from someone who signed 3 for insubordination.

[sWirL]

and don't screw up while doing D/O duty...=X

[reddevil0728]

As an officer, never bad mouth your juniors, superiors, other cadets...etc
Just a tip from someone who's signed 21

as an NSF
never insult your superiors.

just a tip from someone who signed 3 for insubordination.

What you all mean by signed 3 signed 21?

[reddevil0728]

I heard that in a coy only a few ppl get to go to OCS is it true?

[Hairyworm]

Its depends on the batch u go. For leadership batch(9weeks BMT), quite a high chance for command sch but u really need to shine when u wan to go to OCS, for PTP batch, its pretty much the same.

For obese batch, pass ur IPPT and SOC and make ur peers like u, u are ard there. :P

[farksy]

Actually my advice is to be yourself. Becoming an officer is not all about being garang and volunteering for everything. Because you can be garang but doing stupid things. Imagine telling your whole platoon of men to carry stores with their bare hands when putting on gloves will make it easier and safer for your men.

If you volunteer to do everything, it does not mean you can lead well. It may only mean you can be a very capable "men".

When you try too hard to be an officer, it may backfire on you eventually. I have a friend in BMT who is super garang and always express that he wants to be an officer to the whole platoon but he did not eventually enter.

However, there are some factors that are more important in your pursuit of being an officer. Though some may not be within your control...

1) CMPB test (forgot the term for it)
- It's the computerized test you do when at CMPB during your checkup.
2) IPPT
- You must pass it!! I nearly failed mine at the end of BMT..*phew*
3) Situational Test
- Show your leadership skills...but as suggested...don't try too hard. It will be super obvious to your peers and they won't like you

There are a few more but well..i'm sure many buddies here will be able to share their experiences. ;)
By far the most reasonable thing i've heard.

Let's just put it this way, just do your best. If you can't get in, you won't, if they think you can, they will put you in. No point going crazy about gg to OCS and not make it, be extremely disappointed and like just go into man mode for the rest of your NSF life.

[Hurricaneboi]

hmmm what SwirL said is very helpful!

I get the idea guys, thanks!

I dowan to just go in NS and waste my 2 years there without achieving anything...I want to make the best out of it so I guess OCS is a goal for me.

[reddevil0728]

hmmm what SwirL said is very helpful!

I get the idea guys, thanks!

I dowan to just go in NS and waste my 2 years there without achieving anything...I want to make the best out of it so I guess OCS is a goal for me.
there is always sispec as a consolation

[Hurricaneboi]

there is always sispec as a consolation

what my friends tell me is that SISPEC is like bu san bu si, its best if you either get the best (OCS) or stay simple like the rest (normal soldier)

[reddevil0728]

what my friends tell me is that SISPEC is like bu san bu si, its best if you either get the best (OCS) or stay simple like the rest (normal soldier)
yea.. sandwich class.. but at wat my friend told me, sgt between than those normal man cause u train for 9 months after tt u go train ppl n can slack somemore lol

[Evange]

what my friends tell me is that SISPEC is like bu san bu si, its best if you either get the best (OCS) or stay simple like the rest (normal soldier)

IMO, 3 stripe is the best rank if you wanna experience true leadership. Cos you really cheong together with your men and you are the one to listen to their problems (hopefully solve them too). Officers are kinda estranged frm the men, unless they make that extra effort to get close with them (which not much do).

While it's true that 3 stripe get a lot of sai kang, it also gives you a lot of satisfaction. Ever seen a whole platoon of men volunteering for extra duties to accompany their PS? :)

[nbk3]

everyone can be garang if they want to.

but not everyone can chaokeng.

chaokeng is a skill, an art :p

[Hurricaneboi]

IMO, 3 stripe is the best rank if you wanna experience true leadership. Cos you really cheong together with your men and you are the one to listen to their problems (hopefully solve them too). Officers are kinda estranged frm the men, unless they make that extra effort to get close with them (which not much do).

While it's true that 3 stripe get a lot of sai kang, it also gives you a lot of satisfaction. Ever seen a whole platoon of men volunteering for extra duties to accompany their PS? :)

hmmm...you've got a point!

[pigpig85]

Originally Posted by Evange
IMO, 3 stripe is the best rank if you wanna experience true leadership. Cos you really cheong together with your men and you are the one to listen to their problems (hopefully solve them too). Officers are kinda estranged frm the men, unless they make that extra effort to get close with them (which not much do).

Its not about a sect comd being closer to the men than the PC,its about how close the individual commander wants to be to his men,u say untill pc like dont cheong with men. In fact its the pc job to listen to the mens problems not the sect comd...sergeants job-check area cleaning,knock men down/basically be the bad guy while pc is the good guy in their eyes...

[LgO-sluglives]

I dowan to just go in NS and waste my 2 years there without achieving anything...I want to make the best out of it so I guess OCS is a goal for me.

its good to have a goal.

However do remember that NS extends way beyond those two years.

Just remember to think beyond those 2 years and remember the private workforce while obedient isn't always kind to government requirements.

[Evange]

Its not about a sect comd being closer to the men than the PC,its about how close the individual commander wants to be to his men,u say untill pc like dont cheong with men. In fact its the pc job to listen to the mens problems not the sect comd...sergeants job-check area cleaning,knock men down/basically be the bad guy while pc is the good guy in their eyes...

Haha... That's why i say specs have more chances of being closer to than the men... It's like the specs are the Mum while the PCs are the fathers... Anyway, from my personal experience, unless the PC makes the extra effort, otherwise specs are closer to the men....

[annhilator47]

everyone can be garang if they want to.

but not everyone can chaokeng.

chaokeng is a skill, an art :p

chaokeng is the direct opposite of garang?

[-Jinster-]

Haha... That's why i say specs have more chances of being closer to than the men... It's like the specs are the Mum while the PCs are the fathers... Anyway, from my personal experience, unless the PC makes the extra effort, otherwise specs are closer to the men....

in fact i do agree to that. we do need the extra effort to talk to men to be closer to them but it also depends on where you are. its really up to u to understand them and to made their 2 yrs of experience a good one. but there are various appointment u do not get any men only specs under you. no matter where or what just be after 2 yrs it is over.

and one more thing. as long as u r a NSF, there is always someone above you and their thinking is not our thinking. (SC,PS under SM, PC under CO)

to get to ocs, just do ur best as urself. be true. thats what i learnt. cheers! :thumb2:

[Van Persie]

If you are a diploma holder or jc graduate and...

If you have good backgrounds (eg. Top school, represented something something, etc) and your family background also clean and...

If you can clear your IPPT, SOC and completed/attended all courses of IFC, then you have a better chance...

... without being excellent during your bmt.

[ignorantsoup]

If you are going to be some wayang and fake officer, then forget it. We have more than enough of those who pretend to be enthusiastic and become officers, and end up being totally lousy at commanding the men. If you want to be an officer, then be one who is genuinely interested in being an officer for leadership, not for the prestige or whatever bullshit.

SISPEC is not for those bu san bu si people. Do respect those who graduated from there. Granted, there may be idiots who abuse their rank, but the satisfaction one gets when you bond with your men is priceless. In a company, the specs can also bond super well. Imagine, an officer only has 2 / 3 other officers to bond with, specs have so many.

I would know. I was a spec, is a spec and still am. ORDed in 06 but your spec life never ends. Life is not about the rank but your friends in army.

[iswandi7]

yup agree most officers mainly click among themselves but not all...i last time when i was a clerk my first batch recruit came back to my company as my 2ic sia but lucky he very easy going...prefer officer who graduated from poly than jc...

[slayer2cool]

hmmm.. ok firstly, i think what is the best rank is quite a definitive answer with regards to your own taste, preference and what you wanna do in army.. let it be a men, spec or officer.. though i hope you guys dont go too much into these officer bashing session cos i think, no matter what rank you look out for, confirm got those bad apples sort.. seriously, there are those i know who would go out for an arm and a leg for their subordinates...and yeah, i do know a few who just bo chap.. but what to expect? its the NSF mentality cycle.. some sibei on, some just wanna keng..


though, personally for me, the hardest part wont be entering OCS or any command school for that matter, its staying in it till you graduate.. and that's when the real shit starts.. after you become a commander. =) either way, among all the strength, intelligence, wayang, or what not attribute you need, just keep on fighting.

[telefone]

Actually staying in OCS isnt hard, you just need passable fitness level, just pass the items that are required and have good mental strength, ie the mental and physical 'tortue'. Only a handful of officers from OCS go to command men as in chiong sua kind. The rest simply go to places like admin work, instructor etc and in most of the time for admin / office work, the officer is closest to the men (clerks) as compared to the regulars as you will be able to understand them better. For instructors, the bonding with trainees usually depend on the type and length of course, you seldom get to know your trainees very well for short courses.

[slayer2cool]

Actually staying in OCS isnt hard, you just need passable fitness level, just pass the items that are required and have good mental strength, ie the mental and physical 'tortue'. Only a handful of officers from OCS go to command men as in chiong sua kind. The rest simply go to places like admin work, instructor etc and in most of the time for admin / office work, the officer is closest to the men (clerks) as compared to the regulars as you will be able to understand them better. For instructors, the bonding with trainees usually depend on the type and length of course, you seldom get to know your trainees very well for short courses.

some people lack that mentality. so excited to go into OCS or what, only to drop out half way through cos they just cannot take it :D i think ppl have this mindset that, once you're in command school, you gonna be a commander already.. which isnt always the case.

[firespark]

By far the most reasonable thing i've heard.

Let's just put it this way, just do your best. If you can't get in, you won't, if they think you can, they will put you in. No point going crazy about gg to OCS and not make it, be extremely disappointed and like just go into man mode for the rest of your NSF life.

yes sir...

[firespark]

dont worry about getting in OCS or not...
if they want you in, you will get in...

just pass your fitness test. do your best but not for show.
nothing extravagant nothing less.

[iswandi7]

1) Command drills isn't vital for officers

2) Aim for the opposite instead

3) Not important. There is this thing called peer appraisal where other recruits will rate you

4) Doesn't quite help alot though, if you have not so good family background or screwed your cmpb computer test the also no use

5) A must. Your posting depends on it

6) Definitely, especially for obese recruits

7) In the EI start and EI end circle die die want to be officer and nothing else

8) Definitely not true. As long as got at least dip can already. My recruit last time China man cannot even speak or understand a word of english also end up in OCS...lol

[bboxer]

Actually staying in OCS isnt hard, you just need passable fitness level, just pass the items that are required and have good mental strength, ie the mental and physical 'tortue'. Only a handful of officers from OCS go to command men as in chiong sua kind. The rest simply go to places like admin work, instructor etc and in most of the time for admin / office work, the officer is closest to the men (clerks) as compared to the regulars as you will be able to understand them better. For instructors, the bonding with trainees usually depend on the type and length of course, you seldom get to know your trainees very well for short courses.


just to correct you on that. thats a bad misconception. alot of officers actually get posted to command positions. to be one you must enjoy command. even still, there are certain positions in the army where it is exceptionally challenging as well. where u meet all the problematic people and forced to handle such people. being an officer is more than having a black bar on your shoulders. those bars come with weight

[telefone]

Command position dun have alot lah. By command I mean by splitting into Command, Staff and Instructional, the 3 standard tours. Alot of my friends go to Instructional and staff posts (if you disregard the regulars), just a handful of NSF go to command. Posts like BMTC PC is actually instructional rather than command.

[iswandi7]

Officer doing admin like dympo,dylog or ato and etc is more stress than go chiong with men...but its 8-5

[telefone]

Officer doing admin like dympo,dylog or ato and etc is more stress than go chiong with men...but its 8-5

I disagree. This kind of stress is mental stress, its more paper work, but go chiong with men (command posts) also have to do paper work as well, so they also got mental stress, but not as much. Admin work got little or no physical stress, so its more or less equal.

[farksy]

Officer doing admin like dympo,dylog or ato and etc is more stress than go chiong with men...but its 8-5
8-5 ? Heh. Wait till you try it.

After 4 months into my staff appointment, i realise you are on call 24 hours of the day. Not like PCs. CDO once every 3-4 days.

The more stressful part, i gotta agree, especially during admin time doing all the training. Super headache.

[iswandi7]

I disagree. This kind of stress is mental stress, its more paper work, but go chiong with men (command posts) also have to do paper work as well, so they also got mental stress, but not as much. Admin work got little or no physical stress, so its more or less equal.

i suppose physical stress for officer is norm for them. My coy last time all training paper work the PS and SC do one then PC sign...hahaa

8-5 ? Heh. Wait till you try it.

After 4 months into my staff appointment, i realise you are on call 24 hours of the day. Not like PCs. CDO once every 3-4 days.

The more stressful part, i gotta agree, especially during admin time doing all the training. Super headache.

i ORD already lah bro...I see my HQ personnel everyday all book out. Btw what staff appointment requires you standy 24hr...?

[oshortkid]

i would disagree eh. my batch about 40% went to command positions. the other majority went into instructional lar. a minority in staff positions. a simple calculation in a battalion. they would require more combat PCs as compared to staff officers. In some places the staff officers are like combat pcs as well haha. ie guards and commandos ahah.

[hydeist]

i would disagree eh. my batch about 40% went to command positions. the other majority went into instructional lar. a minority in staff positions. a simple calculation in a battalion. they would require more combat PCs as compared to staff officers. In some places the staff officers are like combat pcs as well haha. ie guards and commandos ahah.

Clarence? Hope you're doing well in guards :)

I'm one of the minority in staff positions from the same batch. Anyway just to add on, from the battalion level yea the number of command vs staff positions leans towards more command. But at the division/brigade level they would need a whole new set of staff officers while having less officers in senior command. Not to mention outside of the fighting divisions you still have a shitload of other admin/support/security/intelligence/training/PR/policy branches that are part of MINDEF/Joint and also needs officers. Actual command is a minority in absolute terms.

But yea for NSF officers only the infantry arm actually gets to enjoy the diverse postings all over the shop. Support arms usually have more than half going to command positions.

[floppy]

Command position dun have alot lah. By command I mean by splitting into Command, Staff and Instructional, the 3 standard tours. Alot of my friends go to Instructional and staff posts (if you disregard the regulars), just a handful of NSF go to command. Posts like BMTC PC is actually instructional rather than command.
it wholly depends on batch and operational requirements. you have to keep in mind that most first year PCs are regulars fufilling their PC tour as part of their junior ROA, and 2nd year PCs consists of mainly NSF which will transit with the Bn into NS. Do keep in mind that not all staff tours are 8-5, those who are posted to Bn and Bde as dympo, mto, dylog and dy ops etc are usually required to stay in, only staff positions in div hq, institutes and mindef may have the chance to stay out. you think bn on 2NTM, the staff officers can siam meh? heh.

[telefone]

it wholly depends on batch and operational requirements. you have to keep in mind that most first year PCs are regulars fufilling their PC tour as part of their junior ROA, and 2nd year PCs consists of mainly NSF which will transit with the Bn into NS. Do keep in mind that not all staff tours are 8-5, those who are posted to Bn and Bde as dympo, mto, dylog and dy ops etc are usually required to stay in, only staff positions in div hq, institutes and mindef may have the chance to stay out. you think bn on 2NTM, the staff officers can siam meh? heh.

Haha, quite true, mayb my circle of friends are all from the same Div one, 2PDF, so all stay out.

[auron01]

maybe too late liao...

1) be a president skolar
2) be a SAF overseas skolar
3) be a SAF merit skolar

sure fire way to get into OCS.

[Civicguy]

one statement

as in all things in life, the harder u try, the worst it is..

relax, let things flow... :)

[Doombringer]

ptp batch can go ocs ?

[floppy]

ptp batch can go ocs ?
can. similar chances as direct bmt.

[-Jinster-]

haha im a living example ptp to ocs

[wilflare]

people who fail ippt.. how's their chances at ocs?

[Hurricaneboi]

lower but not impossible. Its still possible to put a person who's not that fit yet possesses exceptional leadership qualities into OCS

[iswandi7]

people who fail ippt.. how's their chances at ocs?

got chance provided you are a president scholar...

[-Jinster-]

lower but not impossible. Its still possible to put a person who's not that fit yet possesses exceptional leadership qualities into OCS

ippt fail = no chance at all whether leadership is in a not. Its a requirement. Whether pres scholar a not, it will not affect. But i haven seen one Pres scholar SAS or SAFOS scholar who didnt passed ippt yet while i was there so questionable point.

[val_wilder]

be best of the best.

[Van Persie]

people who fail ippt.. how's their chances at ocs?

Depends on the intake slots to OCS and the average of people who pass their IPPT.

I have seen a lot of PTP batch of JC students who majority still failed their IPPT and yet a huge percentage of them were posted to OCS.

On the other hand i have seen a Direct Enhanced Batch of diploma holders who majority passed their IPPT with minimum silver award but yet most of them were posted to sispec instead.

Anyway in OCS and Sispec, they have more than enough time and training to pass their IPPT and pass the course.

[farksy]

Depends on the intake slots to OCS and the average of people who pass their IPPT.

I have seen a lot of PTP batch of JC students who majority still failed their IPPT and yet a huge percentage of them were posted to OCS.

On the other hand i have seen a Direct Enhanced Batch of diploma holders who majority passed their IPPT with minimum silver award but yet most of them were posted to sispec instead.

Anyway in OCS and Sispec, they have more than enough time and training to pass their IPPT and pass the course.
From what i experienced, no silver or gold for ippt more or less you are considered OOC material already.

[Van Persie]

From what i experienced, no silver or gold for ippt more or less you are considered OOC material already.

BMTC doesn't requires you to get silver or gold.

And if you are talking about OCS minimum silver & above entry requirements....

Its not always true.

And whether they will turn into OOC.

Well depends on them. Don't really care.

[oshortkid]

Depends on the intake slots to OCS and the average of people who pass their IPPT.

I have seen a lot of PTP batch of JC students who majority still failed their IPPT and yet a huge percentage of them were posted to OCS.

On the other hand i have seen a Direct Enhanced Batch of diploma holders who majority passed their IPPT with minimum silver award but yet most of them were posted to sispec instead.

Anyway in OCS and Sispec, they have more than enough time and training to pass their IPPT and pass the course.

but just to clarify one thing. there is not much of a distinction between the jc ppl and poly grads cuz they enter at a different timing. ultimately its the top 5-10% which makes it. but i tink the 2nd statement u made is abit off lar. i havent seen anyone in ocs who has even problem passing ippt for that matter. in fact silver is like a given, gold is what they all work towards

[udm]

yup agree most officers mainly click among themselves but not all...i last time when i was a clerk my first batch recruit came back to my company as my 2ic sia but lucky he very easy going...prefer officer who graduated from poly than jc...

Yup that's my experience too. I've seen a lot of JC officers who are very power hungry, and abuse their authority on their men

I really wanted to be an officer when I came into NS - as in really badly wanted to be. However, I had flat feet so when I declared, it was difficult for me to go back to leadership BMT again

But hey, after being in NS for over a year, I've come to realise that being an officer doesn't prove a single point at all. It doesn't mean you're smarter, it doesn't mean you're stronger or fitter, and it most certainly doesn't mean you're one rung higher than anyone else. It just means you're luckier during your BMT

I've seen officers who are:

- stupid
- lazy
- power hungry
- backstabbing
- useless

So really, being an officer isn't all its hyped up to be. You'll still have to call your CO and higher ups "Sir", and unless you're in logistics, you still have to be pro-active in whatever you do. I can safely say that there are a lot of specs in my place who are smarter (at least streetwise) than an officer. Don't use rank in army as a gauge for anything in life, because at the end of the day, army equates to:

WAYANG

I know this one guy who said "Eh stay in never mind, as long as I can give men extras". Another one guy didn't know about advanced fire movement. Then there's this officer who gave wrong command during guard mounting. Most officers I know fail at Engrish grammar too

So don't get cheated into the whole idea of honor and glory. There certainly is some honor and pride to be had, but at the end of the day, officers are still humans. Don't get conned into the concept of being superior over others - it's not YOU who is superior, it's just your rank

Anyway, to answer OP's question, your pre-determined "posting" does not fully decide if you can go OCS, if I'm not wrong. It's still heavily dependent on your OC's recommendation. Some OCs anyhow recommend, so must also see heng suay

[farksy]

BMTC doesn't requires you to get silver or gold.

And if you are talking about OCS minimum silver & above entry requirements....

Its not always true.

And whether they will turn into OOC.

Well depends on them. Don't really care.
Of course it isn't always true.

For minister/general son the ippt result doesn't matter :D

[farksy]

udm,

Some are like that, some are not. Cannot expect SAF to filter out those power hungry from those genuine ones in 10 weeks.

And please, just because you are in logistics doesn't mean you are not pro-active. [Well of course i'm saying this because i'm in a logistics appt]

[udm]

I know. It's one of those LLST things, which is why e term "wayang" is always applied in SAF. I'm not saying change should be met, just stating that being an officer isn't all its hyped up to be

Anyway about the 2nd part, true, but it also depends what logistics section you're in. Also depends on what your higher ups want you to do

What unit/department are you in?

[farksy]

I know. It's one of those LLST things, which is why e term "wayang" is always applied in SAF. I'm not saying change should be met, just stating that being an officer isn't all its hyped up to be

Anyway about the 2nd part, true, but it also depends what logistics section you're in. Also depends on what your higher ups want you to do

What unit/department are you in?
Qm.

:hootdah:

[Van Persie]

but just to clarify one thing. there is not much of a distinction between the jc ppl and poly grads cuz they enter at a different timing. ultimately its the top 5-10% which makes it. but i tink the 2nd statement u made is abit off lar. i havent seen anyone in ocs who has even problem passing ippt for that matter. in fact silver is like a given, gold is what they all work towards

I know what you mean. Its true you can see alot of them getting silver like a given.

Its the higher level of training in the course (OCS or Sispec) that increase their fitness as compared to their fitness when they are in BMTC.

My 2nd statement is not actually far-off. As i have previously stated. It depends on the number of intake/slots and the average of people who pass their IPPT in BMTC.

Let me make it simpler.

If OCS open 4 wings of OCS intakes for JC batch and % of IPPT failures in that particular BMTC batch is high.

Shall some of the slots be left vacant?

On the other hand if OCS open only 2 wings for Diploma batch (Charlie/Hotel) and % of IPPT failures for that particular batch is very low.

Where to throw the rest of the silver or gold IPPT (OCS potential) that are not selected?

[vanguardo]

april intake less ppl will get into OCS.

IPPT gold will have more chance

[floppy]

april intake less ppl will get into OCS.

IPPT gold will have more chance
generally april intake less ppl is true, but it all depends on staffing requirements. generally G1 will take note of staffing requirements from the Bns and make sure that command officers are staffed followed by instr. for staff appts the army will usually see shortfalls because there's always ooc in ocs. in certain years when there are more monos you might see apr intake more than jan.

[t4ROKuN-]

I believe theres a few criteria to ocs, its a mix and match thing.

- government/military background
- qualification
- physical fitness
- leadership qualities

[tanchunxun]

OCS need to be physically fit... at least silver ba