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Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio! batuchka Aug 2nd, 11, 11:02 PM #1

Most of the time, I do write ups on DIY PC projects for peeps and on rare occasions myself but today I would be sharing how I made the move from "pc speakers that came with my Dell" to hifi audio.

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The truth is I may be perfectly comfy with the PC side but for the HT I would really ask peeps basics like 2.0 or 5.1/7.1 and digital or analog and the like as I would leave the audio hardware selection to their tastes. Some of them see $5000-10000 as very reasonable so since I do not have hands on experience with audio hardware at that price point I dare not make wrong suggestions hehe

This thread assumes you are really clueless about anything outside PC speakers so on occasion cables, pics and even a block diagram would be shown in the hopes that this thread at least serve as a rough guide how to start getting into hifi audio in your PC.

The subject of this thread covers 2.0 stereo set up paired with a PC but the basics apply to 5.1 and beyond with some tweaks/hardware swap. When I really sat down to plan moving out of my free Dell PC speakers, I knew that I am very much more inclined to music, Internet TV/Movies and on occasions DVDs. I hardly game anymore nor do I feel the need for surround as I have limited space and budget hehe. I may hit a Blu Ray ODD later or add a sub but for now it is to function as a 2.0 set up! Ok before you get bored by walls of text here are the audio hardware that I eventually settled for

Amplifier: Class T Lepai TA2020 (brand new)

Whilst hunting for speakers, I did note that some run very current bookshelf speakers with what looked like vintage stereo integrated amps so initially I thought that these on the cheap would prolly be the most readily available and realistic solution. Enter this little amp Lepai TA2020 - diyAudio and I was kindda surprised that peeps are pairing this little amp with bookshelf speakers way out of my budget range with great results so it got me intrigued! Peeps are raving how it's sound signature beats bigger, more powerful and several times more expensive amps so my el cheapo radar was in overdrive wee~

Anyway I would explain why this Lepai was my choice. The efficiency, low heat generation and chubby cute looks (Fatcat theme remember) really made the gamble worth while and I wasn't disappointed! To this day I still wonder how something so small/cheap could drive my speakers beautifully. With my DAC volume 50/60 the volume knob hardly getting past 9 o'clock it's plenty loud for near field listening! As with DIY PCs I applied the principle of "not cutting corners" where it counts and decided to go with the cheapest Lepai TA2020 unit without PSU and hit a nice 12V/5A PSU. My research indicated some peeps complaining of the amp being under powered with some models that came with a supplied 12V/2A PSU so why save a buck and regret later since it's so cheap anyway hehe The unit i nabbed came with a bundled 3.5mm male to RCA cable and the power adapter did not come with a plug but as the pic shows it's just your typical plug that one uses with a PC PSU >.<







Speakers: Polk Audio M3 Monitor Series 2 bookshelves (used)

Meat and Potatoes! This portion I knew I had to be careful! Sure I could go ultra cheap used stuff but crap speakers would kill a PC audio set up My Fatcat rig is stationed mostly in my bedroom.....a small bedroom too so I am not looking to fill Albert Hall with audio and I am hardly 3 feet/1m away from the speakers when using the rig. Near field listening is what is required for the most part and even when I am in bed thats just 1.5m further away so LOL Like many peeps I assumed one needed like 90++ dB efficient speakers when paired with the low power Lepai to get worthwhile audio out but apparently some gurus stated something like just 83dB for near field listening? With 2.0 you aren't gonna get super low bass but I wanted something not too bad for the money. These Polks were viewed as "punchy and generating decent bass for their size" so that got me very keen on them! Problem was I had to wait for some time before someone actually had them for sale used hehe. Auditioned them and never looked back hehe. I can say as someone who listens to a wide variety of music I am have no regrets whatsoever! Sure I prefer more bass for my metal/rock but moving away from PC Speakers the sheer clarity of vocals and detail in my music gets propelled to a whole different level and mind you I have untrained "audionoob" ears lol






DAC/Headphone Amp : Fiio E7 + L7 (used)

Now I had never bothered with anything pass onboard motherboard sound and frankly with Dell speakers I wasn't missing much me thinks hehe What attracted me to this solution is its flexibility and value it brings to the table! You could use it as a USB DAC via the line out L7 kit with your PC/laptop to your amp. You could have the option, if it gets late and you dun wanna disturb others to off the amp and slot in a pair of cans or iems and use it as a USB DAC + Headphone amp via any of the 2 headphone jacks on the Fiio E7 and boy do these rock even with some el cheapo (but decent) Soundmagic PL11! Music and general audio out from my Polks also picked up and I am using these with the office lappie and I am seriously thinking of hunting a used Acer Iconia W500 tablet after this acquisition! This was the last piece of the puzzle and I am now in the process of archiving/digitizing my CDs in FLAC via Foobar2000.




There you have it: one dude's journey from PC speakers to half decent stuff! All in all I would say ignorance is bliss if u have not heard anything better than PC Speakers but if u are serious about better audio performance the journey may take some time and wheeling/dealing but the rewards are phenomenal! I am on the hunt for mid/higher end cans now and for a non surround set up the Fiio E7 absolutely shines as an elegant yet bang for buck solution! It's truly plug and play and since I am dual booting Win 7 Ultimate 64 and Ubuntu 11.04 64 I can state that it works flawlessly both in Windows and Linux! Let me know if any Ubuntu 10.1" tablet is selling cos I would be extremely keen on these as well (Iconia W500 is kindda pricey brand new)


I hope you found this thread informative if u are totally alien to anything outside boxed PC speakers or if u are an old hand perhaps you could offer other tips, avenues one could look into and some fine tuning for better PC Audio on the cheap







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Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio!
http://forums.vr-zone.com/audiophile...-pc-audio.html
The Making Of Fatcat HTPC
http://forums.vr-zone.com/troublesho...tcat-htpc.html
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johnjohntan Aug 2nd, 11, 11:07 PM #2
IMO, if i was me i would rather get a helder mkIII t2020. Better for value.
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batuchka Aug 2nd, 11, 11:09 PM #3
Wah thks for the tip but was on tight budget hehe Appreciate the reco though

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Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio!
http://forums.vr-zone.com/audiophile...-pc-audio.html
The Making Of Fatcat HTPC
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wwenze Aug 2nd, 11, 11:13 PM #4
arjenhelder doesn't sell complete amps so not easy for non-DIY people.

I thought the A+ version comes with a tone-defeat button.
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batuchka Aug 2nd, 11, 11:15 PM #5
Hmm are u referring to the version with relay delay? I specifically went for old version loh hehe

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Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio!
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alamakazam Aug 2nd, 11, 11:54 PM #6
decent music with minimum cash is possible
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mattering Aug 3rd, 11, 08:02 PM #7
Wondering...how much did this cost you? :O
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batuchka Aug 4th, 11, 12:14 AM #8
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Originally Posted by mattering View Post
Wondering...how much did this cost you? :O
Fiio E7 + L7 $55 used <-- can't get much lower cos this is a hot/preety current stuff me thinks
Polks $50 used, a bit old/dusty but spent some TLC time to clean housing and drivers good as new hehe Model/Series no longer in production for a while now hehe
Lepai TA2020 + 12v/5a PSU $40 brand new, shipped from HK with Free International Shipping

Since had been wheeling and dealing in PC used hardware for years i just apply my experience into audio hardware

Lepai Tripath TA2020/Polk Audio M3II/JVC RX700/Soundmagic PL11/Fiio E7 USB DAC Headphone amp/Acer X233H
Pioneer VSX-416/Kenwood LSK-727 Floor standers/Panasonic LCD TV
Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio!
http://forums.vr-zone.com/audiophile...-pc-audio.html
The Making Of Fatcat HTPC
http://forums.vr-zone.com/troublesho...tcat-htpc.html
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batuchka Aug 4th, 11, 12:18 AM #9
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Originally Posted by alamakazam View Post
decent music with minimum cash is possible
Ya am ecstatic with the upgrade considering $$ paid Time no issue cos the learning process and research was extremely fun and cool

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Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio!
http://forums.vr-zone.com/audiophile...-pc-audio.html
The Making Of Fatcat HTPC
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batuchka Aug 18th, 11, 02:02 AM #10
Tested Polks + Lepai with the LCD TV i bought for my parents @ 89dB efficiency and just on the little Lepai i have to say from a distance of 3m it turned out better than i thought These Polks go down to 60 IIRC so if u love the boom boom in your movies get a proper sub loh hehe The difference in clarity and detail over god forsaken internal TV speakers though was indescribable and this el cheapo LCD TV no optical/coax out so no form of external DAC used hehe I would imagine an even more polished sound with the addition of say a humble Fiio D3 DAC if one's TV had optical/coax out?



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Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio!
http://forums.vr-zone.com/audiophile...-pc-audio.html
The Making Of Fatcat HTPC
http://forums.vr-zone.com/troublesho...tcat-htpc.html
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batuchka Aug 19th, 11, 03:51 PM #11
Okay i like to think i listen to a wide genre of music but share how i expanded my tastes/exposure to more music

In Linux there is this software called Tunapie and after using it for a week i would say the internet radio stations have rather good quality reception and there are lots of stations playing almost anything you could imagine! So give it a shot and hear new music and/or get the title of an old song u really loved but had forgotten it's title wee~


Listen To Internet Radio In Ubuntu Using Tunapie (Shoutcast, Icecast) ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog

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Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio!
http://forums.vr-zone.com/audiophile...-pc-audio.html
The Making Of Fatcat HTPC
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batuchka Aug 26th, 11, 06:13 AM #12
The case for not blowing unreasonable $$ on studio monitors just for near field listening due to the space an external amp takes up just got even better with the Muse PC21 PCI amplifier!
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This is a specially designed PCI amplifier card for the desktop.
It can be directly inserted into the computer's PCI slots, to drive your passive speakers, the power can be accessed directly from the desktop.
We apply the TA2021 chip made by A company, the power up to 25w * 2!
Keep in mind! Do not try to use the same power line with the hard disk, CD-ROM, or it may be introduced of interference noise!
Because of a lot of interference inside the computer, there may be interference noise, which is normal. If you mind of this, please apply the external power!
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batuchka Oct 6th, 11, 07:58 PM #13
I have created threads over several h/w sites of which i am a member of and the feedback for loudspeaker pairings with the Lepai TA2020 amp are trickling in Good info cos i get PMs/questions about if X speaker works fine with the amp hehe

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Added : List of loudspeakers paired with the Lepai TA2020 as of 6/11

Polk M3II
Polk M30II
Polk M10
Dayton B652
Wharfedale Diamond 9.1
Mission M70
Infinity Primus P163
Focal Chorus 705V
Yamaha NS-6490
Yamaha NSBP200PB
Realistic Minimus-7
JBL L100
Technical Pro SPH4

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Fatcat's Cheapo move to better PC Audio!
http://forums.vr-zone.com/audiophile...-pc-audio.html
The Making Of Fatcat HTPC
http://forums.vr-zone.com/troublesho...tcat-htpc.html
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rickysio Oct 6th, 11, 08:38 PM #14
I'd be quite suspect of the PCI card though - the PC is a notoriously noisy environment.
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batuchka Oct 7th, 11, 06:46 PM #15
Ya am extremely curious how peeps who went with that PCI Muse Amp fared though

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