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Longer Stay For Workers From China bigsale Mar 27th, 12, 08:35 AM #1

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By NISHA RAMCHANDANI

Published March 27, 2012


(SINGAPORE) In a move aimed at giving businesses from all sectors more flexibility, the Ministry of Manpower (MOM) is extending the maximum period of employment for unskilled work permit holders from China and non-traditional sources from six years to 10 years.


The policy change, which takes effect in July, is a result of feedback from industries as well as from Members of Parliament during the recent Budget debate.

However, the number of work permit holders in Singapore will stay the same as companies will still have to remain within the dependency ratio ceiling (DRC) limits for their sector.

'We believe that retaining well-trained and experienced foreign workers would increase a company's productivity, as it would spare them from having to rehire and retrain another foreign worker,' said Minister of State for Manpower Tan Chuan-Jin in a blogpost yesterday, highlighting that the government recognises the merits in the suggestion raised. 'It also has a positive impact on safety and socialisation considerations.'

Work permit holders from Malaysia and North Asia, as well as foreign domestic workers, are not affected by the extension as they do not face an employment period restriction and can work up to 60 years of age. Non-traditional sources are namely countries such as Bangladesh, India, Myanmar, the Philippines, Sri Lanka and Thailand.

As part of Budget 2012, the government unveiled several measures to scale back the dependency on foreign workers - including the tightening of foreign worker quotas - aimed at ensuring that Singaporeans remain at the heart of the country's workforce.

However, this has raised concerns from the business community that the foreign worker restrictions are coming at a point when companies are struggling to tackle rising costs and a tight labour market, against the backdrop of an uncertain global economy.

'Should these companies fail, it could put the livelihoods of many Singaporeans at risk, as these companies employ our locals as well,' Mr Tan said in his blogpost.

For the president of the Singapore Contractors Association (SCA), Ho Nyok Yong, news of the extension was extremely welcome. The SCA has been lobbying for change since last year, having put forward their members' views to the MOM.

Sending workers back after six years is counter-productive, especially since Singapore is on a productivity drive, he told BT. Starting from scratch and training new staff requires both time and effort, he pointed out.

'We take pains to train them,' Dr Ho said, adding that workers can then be snapped up by other countries upon leaving Singapore, thanks to years of experience here. '(If) they can stay longer, they can be productive.'

Managing director Billy Ong of the Hup Heng Group, which owns boutique hotel Moon@23 Dickson, also lauded the move, noting that the extra time will serve as a buffer for companies.

Meanwhile, MOM is looking into giving companies more flexibility in terms of how they deploy foreign workers within the same company, in the hope of raising both productivity and efficiency. Previously, foreign workers assigned to a particular job function were not allowed to take on others.

However, this will first be tested out in the hotel industry, with a pilot run set to take place in the second half of this year. If the programme proves fruitful, it could be extended to other service industries.
Source: Business Times Online


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booest Mar 27th, 12, 08:54 AM #2
a lot of criteria to hire PRCs also lah

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Undarken Mar 27th, 12, 08:57 AM #3
Scumbag Gahmen!

Say control and reduce FT but now let them stay for 10yrs.
More good years ahead.

Train FT so hard and they have to go back?
Train locals then, we cant run far...

Unless Gahmen enforce companies to have at least 50% local to 50% FT.
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moneygod Mar 27th, 12, 09:17 AM #4
Workers. Not talents.

Anyway, I for one would love to see the government reduce the foreign workforce drastically, leveling the playing fields and forcing the manpower intensive industries to adopt technologies in fervor. Of course, that means the entire workforce will be reduced, foreign or not. Problem will be the whiners who are whining now will continue to do so and probably louder.


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koohansen Mar 27th, 12, 09:33 AM #5
These are "Workers" not Talents.

Will Singaporean willing to drive buses, build HDB flats, roads, bus stops, bus interchanges, clear tables/dishes in food court/hawkers ? There are here to seek better future for their families back home.

Although i also don't like having FTs here, but at the same time think about the current situation in Singapore. If without these FW, employing Singaporean at high salary, 2 room HDB flats may cost SGD 1million
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kidd Mar 27th, 12, 09:36 AM #6
"unskilled work permit holders from China and non-traditional sources"

Please note these are mainly those doing work that Singaporeans don't want to do, such as construction workers or cleaners. Furthermore, the number of work permits issued remain the same, it is only the length of each work permit that is lengthened.

Based on these two points, I have no quarrel with the government's move. Why limit a construction worker or cleaner to 6 years, and then train someone new?
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Undarken Mar 27th, 12, 09:47 AM #7
Ever wondered why Singaporean refuse to do those jobs?
It's because we have an unjust labour wage system and dont have minimum wage system.
In western/european countries, these so called jobs that sinkies dont want to do actually pay decently there.
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buaya Mar 27th, 12, 10:06 AM #8
Even if you offer me S$3k/month to do manual labour construction job to build your damn house, I will not accept it either.

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buaya Mar 27th, 12, 10:06 AM #9
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"unskilled work permit holders from China and non-traditional sources"

Please note these are mainly those doing work that Singaporeans don't want to do, such as construction workers or cleaners. Furthermore, the number of work permits issued remain the same, it is only the length of each work permit that is lengthened.

Based on these two points, I have no quarrel with the government's move. Why limit a construction worker or cleaner to 6 years, and then train someone new?
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X4nth3r Mar 27th, 12, 10:17 AM #10
I actually feel this is a decent move.. Doesn't really increase the number of people coming in while those foreigners that have stayed here longer would have somewhat adapted to the way things work in SG.
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goenitz33 Mar 27th, 12, 10:43 AM #11
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Even if you offer me S$3k/month to do manual labour construction job to build your damn house, I will not accept it either.
Thats because you are well educated and aint hard up.

Take these two points away and think again.
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Even if you offer me S$3k/month to do manual labour construction job to build your damn house, I will not accept it either.
Labour charges oversea are extremely high...
Considering most charges from your handyman and mechanic will easily cost $50USD per hour...

50 USD = 65 SGD
65 * 8Hr * 22days = $11440 per month
Lets say 50% tax, 11400/2 = $5720 per month exclude overtime...
For construction and other labour jobs

Even in Australia, minimum wage is AUS$17.5 which $23. $23 per hour at macdonalds
Basically if you have the common sense to work, you can support yourself even with no education.
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Labour charges oversea are extremely high...
Considering most charges from your handyman and mechanic will easily cost $50USD per hour...

50 USD = 65 SGD
65 * 8Hr * 22days = $11440 per month
Lets say 50% tax, 11400/2 = $5720 per month exclude overtime...
For construction and other labour jobs

Even in Australia, minimum wage is AUS$17.5 which $23. $23 per hour at macdonalds
Basically if you have the common sense to work, you can support yourself even with no education.
Things are always breaking down in the West. Something is very wrong.

No wonder they exported all their manufacturing.


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Things are always breaking down in the West. Something is very wrong.

No wonder they export all their manufacturing to the East.
Too bad Mao Zedong died, if not all the garbage will still be kept in the country.
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I think if manual labourers start commanding such fees, regular white collar folk will start complaining that services they took for granted before are unaffordable.

*gasp*

They might even learn the concept of DIY - a skill long lost where Singapore residents are concerned.

While we are at it make sure the minimum wage applies to maids too. I think they should not be left out. Then maybe children will actually learn how to change their siblings diapers, clean the toilets and sweep the floor.

It's not a bad thing really. I for one wouldn't mind being a professional cable-dude for $200 an hour. I was thinking of doing that when I got my Aussie PR... buy a Land Cruiser, toss the cables and tools in the back and cruise for on-site work.

Mind you I'd do a superlative job given my OCD.

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