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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWicked View Post
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    Personally I would think text and words are enough. You do not need cute photos posted all over the internet to win donations.

    Now, if the person in need is not as cute looking, or in fact looks damn ugly, i would expect the donations to be much less. Sad but true. Human nature.

    Some would disagree with me though, but please do so gently.

    My view is that I disagree with using looks to win sympathy.
    Actually I still dun understand how does cute or ugly plays a part in winning donations. Hey, im not saying Charmaine is using her cuteness as exploitation, but let me explain why u dun need to be cute to win donation.

    If you want pictures to bring in donations, you need it to evoke the sympathy of the readers (along side with providing information of the person). To evoke sympathy, there are many ways you can do it:

    1. Using cute photos to show its a pity that this cutie is dying (which is what u said in this case)
    2. Using a photo of the person will all needles and tubes poked into him lying there to show the pain he going thru.
    3. Using the photo showing physical wearing out of that person by the illness, ie chemo until no hair left, abnormal growth on body, distorted limbs etc etc.
    4. Using a photo showing the poor living condition of a person

    and much more. In number 2,3 and 4, it would evoke sympathy without needing the subject to be cute. He can be fugly but the sight of him lying there barely living could be as effective as a photo showing a cute girl and saying she is fighting illness.


    This beggar definitely isnt cute...But if this photo is used, I dun think there would be less donation..



    This dying grandpa isnt cute as well..



    This guy isnt handsome or cute (in fact quite ugly), but seeing him in such a state would made me want to help him.


    Thats why if your point is

    "You do not need photos posted all over the internet to win donations...that is gaining sympathy and making use of ppl, otherwise i would expect the donations to be much less."

    I would have understood and respected your view (dun mean i would agree with you though). But if you say

    "You do not need cute photos posted all over the internet to win donations...if the person in need is not as cute looking, or in fact looks damn ugly, i would expect the donations to be much less."

    Then that is a bit weird liao. Becos,
    Cute != More Donation
    Ugly != Much Less Donation



    Maybe you would ask "Then why post such cute pictures to gain sympathy of ppl? Isnt that making use of ppl?"

    In the first place, if you really want more donation, its quite futile to post a neutral photo, or no photo at all, of a kid happily enjoying herself and say "She needs money for treatment" I wun be convinced lor, little sympathy would be evoked, very little donation would come, not even barely enough for her treatment and you might as well close the site down.

    In the second place, I dun think its really making use of ppl, as charmaine might be really that in need of help. The situation she is in is accurately depicted in her photo and not exaggerated. Her mom most prolly REALLY feel pain in seeing her cute daughter put under so much when she is so young. She is most prolly REALLY that sick. As for the "sympathy" part, its just like other commercial advertisement: you can always choose not to believe and donate/buy. Its up to you to judge.
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    Well, at the end of the day, there is nothing wrong with her mother making use of media etc and "exploiting" us all for donations. But things cut both ways. If it riles others or rubs them the wrong way, then I hope the family dun turn around crying and blaming the media later on. You wanna play the media, then be prepared when netizens criticise your actions lor. Can't just take the good and dun wan the bad.

    For my part, I do feel weary when there is SO much publicity just for her. Then what about the rest? Why is the media not doing anything? So my anger is not directed at the mother, but at the fact that the media is itself just exploiting this.

    Amd honestly, cutesy pics can become too cutesy also lor. When I keep seeing one girl's cutesy pics being forwarded in emails, after a while I can't help but think of the term "act cute" ba.

    OK I think I am gonna get flamed liao. Whatever.

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    For my part, I do feel weary when there is SO much publicity just for her. Then what about the rest? Why is the media not doing anything? So my anger is not directed at the mother, but at the fact that the media is itself just exploiting this.
    Most of these publicity are spread through emails, SMSes. The family took the effort to try to gain public sympathy. After all it's their child. I'm sure MOST parents will do that. It's their child who is in the wrong side of things.

    I think it comes back to the question why didn't the media report on other kids? The printed media reports (especially wanbao) on some unfortunate kids all along, remember the Yishun brother and sister some time back? Remember the girl who had to apply some kind of lotion everyday and doctors reported that she cant live thru teenage hood?

    I remember all these unfortunate kids. Those were the days when Internet isn't common.

    Nowadays information spreads so fast via the new media, internet, sms, blogs. etc

    I believe such news are picked up much faster. Furthermore, her mum and family friend is genuinely providing updates and go all the way out to seek public help. Not to forget, anyone can simply post the information on their website. Hence, the publicity rose.

    Personally when I receive this information yesterday morning, I felt obliged for some reasons. I seen my younger sister grow up.
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    Back to the question why only help her when there are so many kids out there who are in the wrong side of things.

    I think it's not "just helping her".

    Personally I'm not so noble to help all the unfortunate kids. BUT if there is one who stepped out and seek help and if it's within the means, then help.

    It's like, imagine a lost child on the streets crying. So you are not going to help the poor child and leave her there to try? Or do you not going to console the child and bring her to the management office? Since there are soooo many lost child in the world concurrently. So am I going to take the effort to ignore this child, go home, set up a website to talk about lost childs and how to let them find their way home?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColdFusion View Post
    Back to the question why only help her when there are so many kids out there who are in the wrong side of things.

    I think it's not "just helping her".

    Personally I'm not so noble to help all the unfortunate kids. BUT if there is one who stepped out and seek help and if it's within the means, then help.

    It's like, imagine a lost child on the streets crying. So you are not going to help the poor child and leave her there to try? Or do you not going to console the child and bring her to the management office? Since there are soooo many lost child in the world concurrently. So am I going to take the effort to ignore this child, go home, set up a website to talk about lost childs and how to let them find their way home?
    Like the starfish story lah...u cant save all on the beach, but at least u can save those u picked.

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    gentlemen,

    There is no right or wrong in issues like this.

    If giving that donation makes you question yourself if you wasted that amount, dont do it.
    If giving the amount has no material effect on yourself and you feel at least you tried, do it.

    For **** sake shes just a little girl in need..Why debate over it. As a parent, the end justify the means.
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    oh well such things can help, help lo. Anyway chanced by this site AbSoLuT.juniors also doing sales of kids stuff for charmine also

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    well guys, the point here is not ask u to go donate money to her, but instead let people know abt such things happening, and after knowing it, if possible, maybe they would want to go and watch the charity match (and at the same time do a donation), moreover, u can take it that u are paying to watch a match and not doing a donation.

    There are other sites elsewhere doing donations, auction, selling stuff and such. As a community, we shld at least do a little part in spreading the word.

    The point here isnt abt which person to help or which person not to help. And i have said before, helping goes 2 ways, one the person in need has to reach out (be in consider exploiting or not) and the others when possible shld lend a hand. There are tons of people out there that requires help almost everyday, and if we do know of such cases i am sure someone would post the news here.

    Lastly, do what you can, no one is forcing you. And this thread is not a thread to force u to donate or anything, it is just to help spread the word. At the same time there is a charity match going on this sunday (not by VR-Zone), and all proceeds of the match will go to the family. If you like to relive the moments of the dream team glory, go watch it.
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    I think this debate is not about money, not about donation; but it's about why this girl received so much attention.

    However, by going into such a debate has shown how insensitive some people are. I think as what Edwin (darkHell) has mentioned, it's about spreading the word and use this chance to see a great soccer match, and indirectly help the family.
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    Her family's trying their best, and so is she. She's taking it day by day and being cheerful, and staying happy is what keeps everyone else going too..

    Why bother about why other people are not receiving enough attention? As long as one steps out and is not afraid to ask for help, I don't see why there is anything wrong about people giving..

    There may be other kids/people in need as well.. But this sparked off with Little Charmaine, and let's keep it just within that boundary.

    Get well soon pretty princess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWicked View Post
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    Dear Charmaine, Do get well soon. Stay strong and i am praying for you everyday. And Charmaine's mum do take care of yrself you have all of our support.
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