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Is there a thing called LUCK? MidnightStar Mar 3rd, 09, 02:43 PM #1 (permalink)
Have you ever play Big / Small in a casino? Going by the probabilty of odds, the chances of Big vs Small should be 50/50. But how do you explain the formation of ‘dragons’ which is the continuous string of the same outcome??

Similarly in trading, a trader has winning and losing cycles, with strings of mostly winners or strings of mostly loser like a trending chart pattern. Is trading really based on luck? Is it really bad luck that cause traders to lose money? When bad luck strikes, the more eager you are to make the money, the more likely you are to lose it, true?

Luck plays a part in trading, but a successful trader cannot depend on luck alone. But why is it that once you start a losing trade, a whole strings of losers come along?

It is because when you are eager to make the money, you tend to deviate from your strategy and create mistakes which will led to further desperation to make back the losses, worsening the situation.

For example, trader A has been making good money for 2 months, then he hit a loser. Refusing to believe that he is wrong due to his fantastic record in the past 2 months, and as he has his winnings as a buffer, he held on to the position as market continues to move against him. When he finally bite the bullet and cut his losses, he made a big dent in his account and his ego took a big dent too. Eager to make back the money to prove that he can trade, he traded again and again market went against him, afraid to lose money, he decided not to realise his loss and to wait for some retracement, but the retracement did not happen and market plunged further. He then decided to buy some more to improve his average price, hoping to get out of all the positions together. But that did not happen, and when he finally cut his losses, he had lost his 2 months profits due to the increased exposure from averaging down.

Now he is desperate to make back his money, he initated a trade and it turned out a small profit. And he did not want to take it, wanting to ride on it to make back his losses. Then market reversed and he ends up with yet another loser. Now that his account is in the red, he decided to increase his trading size to make back the money quickly, and as he becomes so highly leveraged, his account was wiped out in one big market swing.

Trader A then goes to the temple to pray to improve his luck.

The elements of luck, instinct and gut feelings caanot be ruled out in trading, afterall it is an art and not a science. However, a trader must have a strategy and he must not let his emotions deviate him from his strategy. He know how many lots to trade, how much of his account to risk, and when to cut his losses and to follow his strategy at all times. A trader must realise that he cannot have 100% of his trades right and he needs to cut out the unprofitable ones at the minimum loss.

A successful trader requires not just the skill to call for the right trades but also to condition his mind to follow through his strategy.

“The warrior who is prepared for battle has no fear for the thing called Luck”

 
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Gollum Mar 3rd, 09, 02:45 PM #2 (permalink)
the luck of the trader is called the cash capital.
sometimes mis-interpretated as margin.

The higher the cash holding of the trader, the easier it is to be lucky.
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kyouta Mar 3rd, 09, 09:37 PM #3 (permalink)
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the luck of the trader is called the cash capital.
sometimes mis-interpretated as margin.

The higher the cash holding of the trader, the easier it is to be lucky.
ditto .... the richer you are, the more you can anyhow whack and still keep going~
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MidnightStar Mar 4th, 09, 09:18 AM #4 (permalink)
Really, trading got nothing to do with rich or not rich...
I was a broker for many years, I have seen million dollar accounts trade to zero through averging down, overtrading and lack of discipline. Being rich gives u a headstart - at least u can trade, compared to others with no excess funds to spare. Thereafter, its up to u to manage.
imagine long DBS at $20 till now, or long Dow JOnes at 13000, rich also become not rich...
 
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LordAlfa Mar 29th, 09, 10:50 PM #5 (permalink)
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the luck of the trader is called the cash capital.
sometimes mis-interpretated as margin.

The higher the cash holding of the trader, the easier it is to be lucky.
No money management no matter how rich all go away.

Unless you can move the markets but I can only see organizational trader do it not retail traders.

Even though it is extremely difficult in a high liquidity market like forex.
 
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Mische May 8th, 09, 02:12 PM #6 (permalink)
Nah. We create our own lucks, I think.
 
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fibonacci May 9th, 09, 01:39 PM #7 (permalink)
I think good management of wealth is important.

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Gollum May 15th, 09, 11:34 AM #8 (permalink)
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No money management no matter how rich all go away.

Unless you can move the markets but I can only see organizational trader do it not retail traders.

Even though it is extremely difficult in a high liquidity market like forex.
the game plans is extremely different when you have the liquidity to avg down.

Lets say an example of las vegas sands in a period of 6 mths.
It went from 16 to 1.6 and back to 11.5.
The cash strapped will not even think of averaging down but the one with the money would. The cash rich would have hedged at 16 with puts too. Hence with no liquidity, there is no such thing as luck.

For a market like sgx, its extremely easy to manipulate. Especially for the pennies.

You cannot really control high liquid mkt like forex.
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dante-z Jul 22nd, 09, 02:24 PM #9 (permalink)
FATE is the word.

anyway rich only get richer, poor gets poorer.
a minority of poor get promoted every year.

i want to be the minority , i always buy TOTO
 
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simplyadvanced Jul 22nd, 09, 07:13 PM #10 (permalink)
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FATE is the word.

anyway rich only get richer, poor gets poorer.
a minority of poor get promoted every year.

i want to be the minority , i always buy TOTO
 
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simplyadvanced Jul 22nd, 09, 07:13 PM #11 (permalink)
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ditto .... the richer you are, the more you can anyhow whack and still keep going~


u try lor
 
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osxunix Sep 3rd, 09, 12:12 AM #12 (permalink)
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deatheraser Sep 3rd, 09, 04:19 PM #13 (permalink)
Luck? I do believe that there is such a thing but I do not rely on it. I believe taking action is more important than luck
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