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Unfair rating? comments plz xavier_xw Sep 9th, 09, 01:21 AM #1 (permalink)
Hi everyone here, would like to get comments on a recent deal. plz feel free to leave your comments here, thanks in advance!

OK, here is my side of the story:

1. Sep 4th, Fri.
I sold to bullbull a set of xbox360 with basic accessories, late night delivery (9:40pm) to clementi mrt station upon his request (with $10 deposit to show his sincerity). This is the my WTS thread for that deal:
Xbox360 HDMI console

2. Sep 5th, Sat.
I am currently selling another xbox360 with more accessories, he saw the post later, then called me offering to buy "20GB HDD+ethernet cable+play&charge kit" for $60.

3. Sep 6th, Sun.
I don't want to do the late night delivery again, so he said he can collect on Sunday afternoon at clementi mrt. I thought having 2nd time buyers was a good sign, so we dealt the 2nd time on Sun. afternoon, "20GB HDD+ethernet cable+play&charge kit" for $60.

4. Sep 6th, Sun. night.
When I got home that day, simply out of good will as a seller to a 2nd time buyer, I sent a follow-up SMS asking if everything was working fine. No reply from him. I didn't know at that time this "courtesy SMS" could be used against me... (plz read on and you will know why)

5. Sep 7th, Mon. morning
When I turned on my phone, 2 SMS from bullbull complaining both charger kit (not working) and HDD (wrong capacity) have problems, demanding a refund of $20. I replied to him explaining HDD capacity and ask about the charger problem. He explained to me the charger problem in his SMS.

I agreed to refund immediately, but insisted $10 is a more reasonable price. (45 for HDD, 5 for ethernet cable) At the same time, I also suggested he could take the charger kit to my place to find out why it's not working. Naturally he's not happy, so he haggled on the price, saying refund for both the charger and ethernet cable (which I am sure is in working condition because I've tested everything before selling to him, and because he hasn't made any complaints about this ethernet cable at all). I refused of course - refunding an item that has no problem at all? Isn't it a bit unreasonable?

Then he became VERY unreasonable - accusing that the "courtesy SMS" I sent on Sep 6th night indicates I knew the charger kit has problem!!! I am very upset of course, but still, I replied with good manner: "since when following up on a deal became an indication of guilty? You buy from me twice so I just tried to be nice. I don't appreciate your accusation."

Then he replied at once he didn't want the refund because he didn't want to travel to my place. After that he came back to vrzone leaving me a bad rating.

Here are all the SMS records after the "courtesy SMS" (deleted previous ones after hearing no reply from him on Sunday night)




Am I a bad seller who sells faulty items knowingly then run and hide? No! I believe I am sincere and polite all the way through even when being accused out of nowhere. Do I deserve a bad rating like this? I believe it's unfair.

Plz comment,
And bro bullbull, you are also welcome to tell your side of the story.

Thank you very much!

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Sunstreaker Sep 9th, 09, 02:02 AM #2 (permalink)
xavier_xw

firstly - the wrong HDD capacity - was it your fault that you told bullbull about the wrong HDD size, bullbull got it wrong himself or just plain miscommunications?
spoilt Ethernet cable - you tested ok, he take, use first time and then say it's spolit?

then both of you argued over refund price - $10 or $20?

It's really unfortunate if the seller confirmed the goods to be in working conditions then the buyer take home and say it's spoilt.
But this kind of thing - it's seller words against buyer words. Nobody will know, it might just be the cable might suddenly be damaged.
 
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tengjj2000 Sep 9th, 09, 02:35 AM #3 (permalink)
he looked like a dealer...
 
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danielkoh23 Sep 9th, 09, 03:44 AM #4 (permalink)
bro Xavier.. i have not dealt with u before but at least you have responded to his call and accomodate to his requests.. at least you dun run away like LewisTan did.. ask the mods to remove that undeserving feedback for u.. cheers
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wwenze Sep 9th, 09, 07:06 AM #5 (permalink)
Bad English...
 
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moneygod Sep 9th, 09, 11:45 AM #6 (permalink)
Xbox 20GB HDD has a usable capacity of around 13.9GB only. Seasoned Xbox owners know this. In fact, it is so damn troublesome to "upgrade" to a fake 20GB HDD.
 
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xavier_xw Sep 9th, 09, 11:58 AM #7 (permalink)
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xavier_xw

firstly - the wrong HDD capacity - was it your fault that you told bullbull about the wrong HDD size, bullbull got it wrong himself or just plain miscommunications?
spoilt Ethernet cable - you tested ok, he take, use first time and then say it's spolit?

then both of you argued over refund price - $10 or $20?

It's really unfortunate if the seller confirmed the goods to be in working conditions then the buyer take home and say it's spoilt.
But this kind of thing - it's seller words against buyer words. Nobody will know, it might just be the cable might suddenly be damaged.
the HDD capacity issue of xbox360: all xbox360 hdd will have a system reserve partition, eg. 20GB HDD, MS is selling it as 20GB, but you buy and install it to your console, it will only show up 13GB available - about 7GB reserve. That's how MS setup those HDD on the console. Bro bullbull might have not read about it before.

2nd, it's the charger kit bro bullbull said faulty, not the ethernet cable. The ethernet cable I believe is working. Bro bullbull asked me to refund both the faulty charger and working ethernet cable so he can ask for $15 refund, but I refuse to refund a working ethernet cable.

I know this kind of thing, seller tested ok but buyer found faulty, it's my words against his. But, I took his words, accept that the charger kit is somehow faulty, and I agreed to refund a reasonable amount of money, didn't I?

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xavier_xw Sep 9th, 09, 12:03 PM #8 (permalink)
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he looked like a dealer...
I might be a dealer depending on certain definition,

the truth is, I am a student here, with some knowledge of xbox360 console, so I set out to buy and sell them, making some money.

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Bad English...
sorry for that, English is not my first language, I tried my best to communicate with bros here, with good manners,

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tengjj2000 Sep 9th, 09, 12:05 PM #9 (permalink)
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I might be a dealer depending on certain definition,

the truth is, I am a student here, with some knowledge of xbox360 console, so I set out to buy and sell them, making some money.
no la, i mean bullbull.. he's selling xbox as well.. how can he not possibly know??
 
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xavier_xw Sep 9th, 09, 12:10 PM #10 (permalink)
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bro Xavier.. i have not dealt with u before but at least you have responded to his call and accomodate to his requests.. at least you dun run away like LewisTan did.. ask the mods to remove that undeserving feedback for u.. cheers
I have already asked the mods, he suggest me post here and get people's opinion and bullbull's side of story first.

So I did, and I am willing to listen to everybody's comments.

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Dealt with xavier before ... Nice chap Don't look like dealer to me ...
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Sunstreaker Sep 9th, 09, 01:11 PM #12 (permalink)
Seller want refund, must give Buyer back faulty items.
This one understood unless Buyer willing to refund without the items.

one is helpless on this kind of incidents expect a compromise on either sides.
 
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rickysio Sep 9th, 09, 05:54 PM #13 (permalink)
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Seller want refund, must give Buyer back faulty items.
This one understood unless Buyer willing to refund without the items.

one is helpless on this kind of incidents expect a compromise on either sides.
What? Sunstreaker, your posts start to make less and less sense.

Why should Seller want refund!?
 
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xavier_xw Sep 9th, 09, 06:23 PM #14 (permalink)
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What? Sunstreaker, your posts start to make less and less sense.

Why should Seller want refund!?
I think he got "seller" and "buyer" reversed,

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Sunstreaker Sep 9th, 09, 07:44 PM #15 (permalink)
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I think he got "seller" and "buyer" reversed,
yes, of course.

so what's the latest? - is the matter settled?
 
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