[roslih]

The item (a JBL Creature speaker system) was sold as a faulty set. Seller claimed that power supply is faulty, but both the satellite speakers and subwoofers are working. On the day of collection, found that the diaphragm of the satellite speakers were actually broken. Seller still maintain that they are working. Since I have come all the way to make the deal and that seller was willing to reduce by $5, I decided to be a gentleman and close the deal (even without the speaker wire for the subwoofer given, although in the ads again seller claimed that the set comes in full accessories). To my horror, when I plug in the set with a working power supply that I have (from a similar model, since I have one at home), the subwoofer became hot and actually "killed" my power supply. I tried explaining this to the seller, but he claimed that I should know what I was in for. Yes, I agree that I am aware, I am buying a faulty set, but not one that will "kill" a perfectly good working power supply. I am not asking that seller compensate me for my loss, but merely asking to return the set for money back. Unfortunately, seller insisted that he has done a fair deal. I felt cheated. I know it is a small amount, but I felt that this incident should not go untold. However, if the majority feel that I am at fault here. I would also gladly take the blame for being stupid.

[wwenze]

My thoughts to share:

This kind of things usually work because of greed. Buyer will be thinking of the possibility of repairing the product and hence get a working product at a very low price.

But hor, think, if you can think of repairing the product to make a gain obviously the seller has also thought of that.

So the difference between your success of repairing vs the seller would be the difference in technical competency. I don't know about yours, so I use myself to demostrate - seller knows how to troubleshoot and use a multimeter, has confirmed PSU to be spoilt. If he knows PSU spoilt then why didn't he just find a new PSU - that'd mean that the fault lies somewhere else apart from just the PSU, or he don't know where to get the PSU, which I guessed to not be the case. If the fault doesn't lie in the PSU, by my technical competency and resources available, it wouldn't be worth my time and effort and risk to pay $30 for that (consider repair costs too), hence I didn't bid.

Usually the seller will lie or not reveal full information about the condition of the product and you can fault him for that, but if say the seller is really a real nub that dunno how to repair and hence don't know the real reason for the breakdown, you cannot blame him, and it's you who wanted to buy the amp for repair.

So unless you are very sure that your repair skills are better than the seller AND that the seller is a noob, don't try to repair.

Take note of some people who act nub. Though they will resort to lying.

Still, in the end, you can only blame yourself. Because the seller would have sold the good to someone who can really fix the good and it'd be a win-win situation for both of them. I have my own such story to share but it'd make this post even longer so I'll post if there's demand.

[tbh222]

when u buy a faulty set, it will be like risk it or leave it or throw it if spoil, unless seller gives a misrepresentation.

[roslih]

In response to the above comments, your points are well taken. I do appreciate that. In my case, I was merely trying to "salvage" the working speakers (coz mine is broken), thus the bid and purchase. I saw seller answering questions about the speakers condition and has concluded that it was "working". That is why I felt "cheated". Anyway, thanks again.

[kidz_buzz]

Dear bros,

I am the seller of the speakers. I would like to clarify some inacuracies. Mr roslih is implying that I cheated him. Under no circumstances did I misrepresented anything. I stated very clearly in my advert (reproduced below) that I'm selling this as spare parts, and the "internal subwoofer speaker" and the satellite speakers are working, and they indeed ARE. He pointed to some tears on the satellite speaker cone and bargained to $15. We agreed on $20.

After buying, Mr roslih is at liberty to dismantle and use any part of the system for spare parts. I'm no expert, but if he damages any of his own equipment while doing repairs, like I have told him, I feel sorry, but I can't be held responsible.

Thanks for reading. You bros be the judge.

Mr Moderator,
Can you please remove my bad rating?

My advert:
"JBL Creature II speakers (faulty) kidz_buzz Oct 14th, 09, 04:25 PM

Faulty set, cannot switch on. Full set, red colour, 1 subwoofer and 2 satelite speakers plus adaptor. The satelite speakers and the internal subwoofer speaker are working. Good if you know how to repair or use as spare parts. Very good looks and excellent JBL sounds when repaired. Selling at $35 or start bid at $15, self collect in Hougang. Tks for viewing."

[xtramadness]

Hmm.. Next time must take full video of exactly what we do.. No dispute at all..

[tensor]

dear TS,

I have a request from Kid_buzz to remove his bad rating.
I will only be remove if you are agreeable to its removal.

Regards

[tensor]

Let me clarify my position on such matters.

1. There's always a reason for a member to give a Bad trade.
Thus, unless the member is willing to retract it, it will remain regardless of what the recieving party feels.

2. If by removing without both parties agreeing to resolution, then whats the point of having this system?

3. As to the argument:

anybody can bad rate anybody they don't like, make up some story, and disagree to remove bad rating. It'll be open to abuse.

We do have checks in place and besides all these are discussed in the open.
Hence the likelihood of pulling such are truely rare.

4. The only exception made is that unless the member is abusing the Trade Rap system
IIRC, there's a offending member that was permanently removed for trying to pull such a stunt.


Hope that explain my stand on such matters.
Please do let me know that is unreasonable?

[wwenze]

I think I can guess what's going on in the background...

To both seller and buyer: You can choose to make this a win-win situation, or you can make it a lose-lose situation. If you know what's the consequences, don't try if you don't want that.

Also, whether somebody think if something is reasonable or not is not for others to decide. People have different beliefs. Hence the stand of the mods.

Else if you're on the receiving end of the stick - if people judge that you're in the wrong, no room for discussion end of story, how would you feel?

[roslih]

I shall leave it to the moderator to make the call. I am merely asking for fair judgement here. As I have mentioned in my first posting, if I am judged to be in the wrong....I shall gladly take the blame and move on.

[tensor]

dear TS,

The decision is ultimately yours to decide wor.
we do respect fellow members decision.

[kidz_buzz]

Dear Mr Moderator,

It's been 1 week and still not resolved. Please remove my bad rating.

I have not done anything wrong. I'm not responsible for a buyer's attempt to repair a faulty product. As I had stated in my advertisement, the "internal" speakers are indeed working.

Tks.

[tensor]

Dear kidz_buzz,

I believe that there's a difference between no objection to removal of bad rating and agreeable to do so.

Unless Mr. Roslih is agreeable to the removal else it would remain

[kidz_buzz]

Dear Forumers,

What did I do wrong ???

I asked moderator but no answer. I asked mr roslih to agree to removal but he ignore me. This is not a good system. Mr roslih, because he's unhappy he burned his own adapter, can simply ignore me and the bad rating stays.

I'm not responsible for a buyer's attempt to repair a faulty product. I feel very upset by this incident. So far, I have refrained from giving mr roslih a bad rating in return.

I invite you people to comment. Tks.

[cheesified]

next time state your terms and conditions in the thread. also we might not know who's actually 'smoking' the truth here. well, who knows?