[reddevil0728]

Gonna rebuild a house so wonder if i would prefer to have wired connections for all my computers in different room and at the same time also have wireless networking enabled, would it be more worthwhile to use powerline networking or wired networking?

What's the pros and cons?


Edit by DF: Renamed title to something more appropriate Was "Powerline Networking vs Wired Networking"

[tensor]

rebuild????

u mean are going to tear down a home to its foundations and rebuilt from scratch?

if so y would anyone would want to consider going powerline or wireless.

Just have the contractor to run cat6 cables remember to include redundancy too

[reddevil0728]

Originally Posted by tensor

rebuild????

u mean are going to tear down a home to its foundations and rebuilt from scratch?

if so y would anyone would want to consider going powerline or wireless.

Just have the contractor to run cat6 cables remember to include redundancy too

Yep, tear down totally, foundation included...

I want wireless at the same time in case i lazy to sit at my computer to connect it to the wired networking and ipod touch can't use wired networking...

Cause i do not know whether powerline is it cheaper than wired networking in the long term...

I thought cat 5e will be more than enuf?

[tensor]

... duhz

all u need is just attach cheap AP's onto ur lan port dah.
aint it simpler yes?

cat 7a if u can get the cables.
Hint: Opennet and oxidation

[DragonFire]

Well, from personal experience,

1. Cat6 the whole place. No point doing 7a imo. Have some points set up in the false ceiling for placement of APs to provide wireless service.

2.Designate a area in the storeroom or a concealed cabinet to be your IT core. You will need a phone, cable and power to this area. Maybe provisioning for cooling in case you want to put a media or file server here.

If it is a big house, you will want a PABX system for your phones. You can put your PABX here too. If you do install a PABX, please make sure you put in UPS since if the power goes out, you will not be able to make calls through the PABX.

You can use Cat6 for your telephone lines and RJ45 jacks. They are RJ11 compatible. That way if you set up a proper patch system in the IT core, you can repatch the lines to serve either phone or data to meet your requirements. There should be at least 2 LAN points to wherever you have a cable outlet.

3. Make sure you set up a proper cable duct from the outside to your IT core. When OpenNet comes, you will want the contractors to drag the fiber into your IT core.

DF


Materials needed

IT core:
1. Cat 6 cable
2. Wallmount rack cabinet, 12U
3. 24 port patch panel; 48 port if you need more

- All the patch cord in the house will be terminated at this rack cabinet.
- You can put in a business switch inside to serve data access.
- Keystones for cable and an analogue phone line should be put inside the rack so you can plug your cable/adsl/modem or opennet transceiver inside to service your whole house.


PABX:
1. Your preferred digital home PABX
2. A 2000VA UPS (should give you 2 hours of talk time in case of power out)

This exernally mounted PABX will serve phone services into the rack. Points requiring phone access can then be connected to the PABX through the patch panel

[DragonFire]

Something I drew up. Must be real bored

DF

Edit: BTW a line is missing from the SH/ST copper patch board to the ADSL/Cable modem.

[F@|c0n]

DF:
may i ask is it advisable like to have a router that has 4 giga port and connect to wall sockets like 6 of them, meaning 2 of them will need to be shared. possible? or we need a switch in this case.

coz right now i am running 2 Cat6 cables, from a room to 2 other computer (straight to com, do not have wall socket now) in other rooms in an extra cable duct which i specially nailed into the wall. the lengths are like 15m and 20m. coz if possible to spilt, then i can have just 1 cable running to 2 wall sockets

[tensor]

How about having a separate Vlan for Video conference VOIP phones.

Sadly Tandberg has been bought over.
1 less option avaliable.
Tangberg's Video phone look prettier then Cosco's

Add, video Surveillance too.

[DragonFire]

Originally Posted by F@|c0n

DF:
may i ask is it advisable like to have a router that has 4 giga port and connect to wall sockets like 6 of them, meaning 2 of them will need to be shared. possible? or we need a switch in this case.

coz right now i am running 2 Cat6 cables, from a room to 2 other computer (straight to com, do not have wall socket now) in other rooms in an extra cable duct which i specially nailed into the wall. the lengths are like 15m and 20m. coz if possible to spilt, then i can have just 1 cable running to 2 wall sockets

Splitting is not recommended. Get a cheap 8-port Gig switch.

DF

[reddevil0728]

Originally Posted by DragonFire

Well, from personal experience,

1. Cat6 the whole place. No point doing 7a imo. Have some points set up in the false ceiling for placement of APs to provide wireless service.

2.Designate a area in the storeroom or a concealed cabinet to be your IT core. You will need a phone, cable and power to this area. Maybe provisioning for cooling in case you want to put a media or file server here.

If it is a big house, you will want a PABX system for your phones. You can put your PABX here too. If you do install a PABX, please make sure you put in UPS since if the power goes out, you will not be able to make calls through the PABX.

You can use Cat6 for your telephone lines and RJ45 jacks. They are RJ11 compatible. That way if you set up a proper patch system in the IT core, you can repatch the lines to serve either phone or data to meet your requirements. There should be at least 2 LAN points to wherever you have a cable outlet.

3. Make sure you set up a proper cable duct from the outside to your IT core. When OpenNet comes, you will want the contractors to drag the fiber into your IT core.

DF


Materials needed

IT core:
1. Cat 6 cable
2. Wallmount rack cabinet, 12U
3. 24 port patch panel; 48 port if you need more

- All the patch cord in the house will be terminated at this rack cabinet.
- You can put in a business switch inside to serve data access.
- Keystones for cable and an analogue phone line should be put inside the rack so you can plug your cable/adsl/modem or opennet transceiver inside to service your whole house.


PABX:
1. Your preferred digital home PABX
2. A 2000VA UPS (should give you 2 hours of talk time in case of power out)

This exernally mounted PABX will serve phone services into the rack. Points requiring phone access can then be connected to the PABX through the patch panel

Originally Posted by DragonFire

Something I drew up. Must be real bored

DF

Edit: BTW a line is missing from the SH/ST copper patch board to the ADSL/Cable modem.

Woah, thanks for the detailed explanations. But it looks really damn complicated to me and actually I do not need such complicated set up.

What I am looking at is that I would want 7 wired home networking points.

do i really need server etc??? very complicated to me

[DragonFire]

You don't need a server - don't think I drew in a server You can certainly connect up a media/music/file server to your home network though if you need it. Any installed would be connected directly to the GigE switch.

I would consider this layout to be most flexible, especially if you are rebuilding the house from scratch. It opens up options that can be very expensive/messy to install through simple renovations.

If you can afford it, overbuild a little. It will save you from regret in the future.

What I have done is integrated the telephone system with the LAN. It is something I put in even for my brother's HDB flat. All the voice and data cables end up in a single location. To save space in his case, I had a simple flat punch type patch box installed inside the cabinet hiding the main circuit breaker and CATV splitter. The cabinet has its own power points and cable outlet so I can hide the modem and router inside. The Singtel copper line also comes in here so a MIO box or adsl modem can be used. I provisioned space also for the opennet fiber droppoint coming soon.

In your case, a small 6-12U wallmount rack and proper rackmounted patch panel will do best. A riser trunking should be installed nearby, allowing data and CATV coaxial cords to reach the upper floors easily. You don't need a rack, but it will make maintenance easier. And you can hide a full sized switch inside in addition to your router and modem.

DF

[DragonFire]

Ok to make things easier...

1. Where do you want the data points? State locations and number.
2. Where do you want voice points? (aka phone jacks) State locations and number.
3. What voice technology do you plan to use? Analogue phones? Digital PABX? ST MIO? SH DVH? VoIP?
4. What do plan to use for internet? Cable? MIO? Leased Line?
5. How many floors are you building? Need wireless on each? Need wireless outside?
6. Do you use consoles that need Internet access?
7. Need intercom at gate? Visitor cam?

I will send you my consultation bill later.




j/k

DF


Edit: Oh we never really addressed the topic, which is powerline networking.

Two words. Forget it. It is slow. It is expensive. It runs hot. It burns out fast.

Not to mention a good number of landed properties use 3-phase incoming power. Powerline adaptors can only communicate with similar devices on the same phase. If you need them to talk between phases, you will need to buy two extra pieces to bridge the phases. That is 4 extra pieces, OR 3 extra pieces AND a hub to bridge all 3 phases.

[reddevil0728]

Originally Posted by DragonFire

You don't need a server - don't think I drew in a server You can certainly connect up a media/music/file server to your home network though if you need it. Any installed would be connected directly to the GigE switch.

I would consider this layout to be most flexible, especially if you are rebuilding the house from scratch. It opens up options that can be very expensive/messy to install through simple renovations.

If you can afford it, overbuild a little. It will save you from regret in the future.

What I have done is integrated the telephone system with the LAN. It is something I put in even for my brother's HDB flat. All the voice and data cables end up in a single location. To save space in his case, I had a simple flat punch type patch box installed inside the cabinet hiding the main circuit breaker and CATV splitter. The cabinet has its own power points and cable outlet so I can hide the modem and router inside. The Singtel copper line also comes in here so a MIO box or adsl modem can be used. I provisioned space also for the opennet fiber droppoint coming soon.

In your case, a small 6-12U wallmount rack and proper rackmounted patch panel will do best. A riser trunking should be installed nearby, allowing data and CATV coaxial cords to reach the upper floors easily. You don't need a rack, but it will make maintenance easier. And you can hide a full sized switch inside in addition to your router and modem.

DF

Actually I am quite confuse how does the wiring for wired networking works...

So basically every room will have the own RJ45 jacks...

all the RJ45 jacks from each room will have the wires run via trunkings to this place where I gonna have my cable point...

at this cable point, i will have my modem, i will connect my modem to the 24 ports panel (is this the least number of ports panel available?)

at that place, all the wires from the RJ45 jacks will come out and i will connect it to the 24 ports panel is it?

is that how it works?

How do u integrate phone line into it?

[DragonFire]

The patch panel is a board where ALL the RJ45 points in your house meet up. They come in 12/24/48 usually.



The RJ45 jacks in your house are hardwired to this. If you look in the pic, you will see it is basically a bar that is full of RJ45 ports. Using short pieces of LAN cables called patch cords, you can do the following.

- connect two RJ45 jacks in the house together by bridging two patch ports.
- connect an RJ45 jack to...
1. A switch to make it a data port
2. A PABX voice output to make it a analogue or digital phone jack
3. A Singtel or Starhub copper line to make it an analogue direct line

Regarding phone lines - you don't need anything special. Cat5e/6 carries phone signals perfectly - and in case you did not notice, RJ11 plugs will fit in a RJ45 socket.* This merely gives you the option of having the phone jack turn into a data jack in the event you need one more data point in the house, but need not have a phone (for instance if you are using a DECT cordless phone with the base station in another area)

DF


*For those implementing this, please label any analogue RJ45 phone ports properly. The ring tone of an analogue phone is high voltage and will destroy network cards and switches if you have a call come in when your device is incorrectly connected to the phone port!

[Dreamslacker]

Originally Posted by reddevil0728

Actually I am quite confuse how does the wiring for wired networking works...

So basically every room will have the own RJ45 jacks...

all the RJ45 jacks from each room will have the wires run via trunkings to this place where I gonna have my cable point...

at this cable point, i will have my modem, i will connect my modem to the 24 ports panel (is this the least number of ports panel available?)

at that place, all the wires from the RJ45 jacks will come out and i will connect it to the 24 ports panel is it?

is that how it works?

How do u integrate phone line into it?

Kind of...

In short, you connect:

Tel. pt/ cable pt--> modem --> router --> switch --multiple network cables--> patch panel --concealed network cables--> Network points in rooms --> computers/ devices

Basically, every room will have it's network point(s) (best to implement redundancy, just run an extra cable, it doesn't need to be terminated into a keystone).

The cables will run via trunks/ cable ducts (for concealed) back to a common location.
You modem + router + any file/ media servers etc will be placed there.
You should also have a cable point (for cable modem) or telephone point (for DSL) at this location.
As Df pointed out, ideally, this place is where you cable splitter and telephone "riser" is placed as well.

RJ-45 jacks will accept RJ-11 connectors (telephone 6-pin plugs). You just need to connect a telephone cable between a telephone point and the patch panel and the corresponding network socket in the room will become a telephone point.