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amd's neo to eat atom market snakeoil Apr 16th, 09, 05:02 AM #1

HP Pavilion dv2 Review

the performance of this platform is much better than crappy atom netbooks.

while atom sales dropped 26% in the first quarter.




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Lightnix Apr 16th, 09, 05:27 AM #2
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But at a price of $750, will consumers buy this instead of a $300 netbook?
The thing doesn't even compete with common netbooks in price, it costs 2.5x as much! This thread barely even suffices for speculation, let alone 'news'.
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psolord Apr 16th, 09, 05:38 AM #3
AMD definitely has the know how of making an ATOM, ION and Tegra killer combined. The thing is that they want to focus on what they do best right now. Make good gpus and cpus. I don't think they can afford to open more fronts right now.

Intel on the other hand is a giant that always faces the danger of collapsing under their own weight. Like a super tall building that can come tumbling down in a ziffy, if you exceed the tolerance of the materials!

What is important right now, is promote their 40nm gpus for notebooks. Most notebooks are crappy as they are and AMD's new 40nm will breath new life into the market. As long as they play their cards right! Like their Innovation vs Rebranding thingy, lol!
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snakeoil Apr 16th, 09, 05:39 AM #4
''Conclusion
I started this review with an important question, "at a price of $750, will consumers buy this instead of a $300 netbook?" The answer is, yes ... or at least I hope so.''
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BLOODY-D Apr 16th, 09, 06:11 AM #5
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''Conclusion
I started this review with an important question, "at a price of $750, will consumers buy this instead of a $300 netbook?" The answer is, yes ... or at least I hope so.''
I completely agree with you that HP DV2 is better than any netbook on the market right now but the only problem it has is the short battery life which is only 3 hours under full load,what i say that it would've been a lot better with at least 6 hours of battery life under full load.
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Lightnix Apr 16th, 09, 07:32 AM #6
I would agree that this is better than any netbook on the market, but that's just it, it doesn't compete with the Atom netbooks in any capacity. It's like comparing an Athlon X2 to a Core 2 Quad, or a Radeon 4670 to a GeForce GTX 275.

Price wise, a netbook over here in England costs around £200, give or take. So we times that by 2.5 and we get £500. That puts it really close to much more powerful notebooks such as the Dell XPS M1330 (comes with a 2GHz Core 2 Duo), at £599.

Even then I'm not saying those notebooks are better than this, it's quite a good, small, and even fairly powerful laptop for the price and certainly has its market, it's just not really in competition against the Atom based netbooks until it at least halves its price.
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snakeoil Apr 16th, 09, 07:46 AM #7
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Even then I'm not saying those notebooks are better than this, it's quite a good, small, and even fairly powerful laptop for the price and certainly has its market, it's just not really in competition against the Atom based netbooks until it at least halves its price.

they compete, people looking for a portable device may choose the yukon platfom over atom netbook, the perfomance and features are similar to a notebook, while having almost the size of a netbook.very handy.
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wwenze Apr 16th, 09, 07:58 AM #8
3.95 pounds is almost 2 kg already.

And other manufacturors can stuff a Athlon X2/C2D inside a 2kg 12-inch notebook.

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they compete, people looking for a portable device may choose the yukon platfom over atom netbook, the perfomance and features are similar to a notebook, while having almost the size of a netbook.very handy.
U mean the other way round...
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Ish718 Apr 16th, 09, 08:15 AM #9
Price Fail.
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haylui Apr 16th, 09, 09:05 AM #10
hopefully this laptop could bring some revenue to AMD
my rig: it isn't an oil rig. how i wish it was.
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Nuker_ Apr 16th, 09, 09:13 AM #11
"But at a price of $750, will consumers buy this instead of a $300 netbook?" - No, WTF is this crap? it is 10% faster, but it costs 2.5x as much... ouch (except fo the 3dmark score, which may be a few orders of a magnitude better, but what does a 3430 cost anyway).
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cobalt_ Apr 16th, 09, 09:26 AM #12
Troll more?

Snakeoil you've proven time and time again that you've got a bone to pick with intel. This is hardly a netbook coming in at just under 2kg's and being 12" in size. The price also puts it well out of the regular netbook range.

However its nice to see that with fanboys like you AMD is unlikely to go under during these hard financial times

And not to mention thats some pretty sucky battery life for a 6-cell battery on a so called "netbook".
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NerosDevil Apr 16th, 09, 09:47 AM #13
The product just launched, havn't yet proven to be Atom killer ._.
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OboveAverage Apr 16th, 09, 10:14 AM #14
I wouldn't say Neo will eat Intel netbook marketshare, but the OMAP 3 and the upcoming OMAP 4 from TI.
ARM Cortex-a8 archieve a 80% of Atom perfomance in web page rendering at 50% the frecuency (80% at 1.6Ghz!)!

This is, without the Atom's advanced cache and a state-of-the-art 45nm HiKmg production process, consuming far less (CPU wise, not the SoC) at a 65nm generic process!
And, the Cortex-a8 doesn't have HT, and it cannot even execute instructions in an OoO fashion. Neither can the Atom, but the Cortex-a9 will, and likely with lower energy consumption. When that happens, We'll see a great leap in performance on the ARM side, surely remaining unchanged on the blue field.

But will the market throw that away for sake of the software binary compatibility?
Will the consumer's hipocresy ruin what would be the road to real change?

However, by posting this in such a stupid topic wouldn't get my commentary any attention. Dull boy that i am
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BLOODY-D Apr 16th, 09, 10:30 AM #15
the DV2 from HP is one of a kind it has an awesome combination of hardwares that you wouldn't even find in some expensive netbooks from ASUS like the one in this link which costs 800$:

Newegg.com - ASUS N10 Series N10J-A2 Intel Atom N270(1.60GHz) 10.2" WSVGA 2GB Memory 320GB HDD Netbook - Netbooks

So seriously WTF are you people complaining about in this fantastic product which comes with 12.1" 1280.800 res,1.6Ghz AMD athlon new,4 GIGs of DDR2 ram,great integrated HD3410 GPU from ATI with HDMI output for HD playback and maybe some lite to average gaming, a 320GB hard drive, 802.11n Wi-Fi, a six-cell battery, and an external DVD burner with a windows vista home premium x64 os.And it weighs only 1.3 kilos and its just 2.5-3.3 centimeters which is a lot better than Macbook Air that costs almost 2000$ and comes with crappy integrated intel or a failing NVIDIA GPU.

i dare any one to find me a machine as powerful as the DV2 for less than 700$.
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