[psolord]

According to Charlie, Nvidia had something to do with the MSI's Lucid Hyrda 200 based Bing Bang mobo, not being launched at the promised date (October 29th).

What do you guys think?

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[NerosDevil]

Nothing out of particular.

Smart move by Nvidia nonetheless. Keeps their desktop chipset (expect ION) alive and kick-ass at motherboard biz market.

[riggnix]

that's pretty much typical for nvidia these days...sadly...

there where times were nvidia responded technically in things like that, but now they just destroy other companies or products and destroy innovation.

it wouldn't surprise me if nvidia would buy lucid soon and make the technoligy just accessable for nvidia hardware.

[kuang3]

the same question i ask myself, Lucid was announcing that mobo with Hydra will be shipping in end of Oct, and MSI was bragging about the revolution of gaming without mentioning Trinergy; but after the long wait what we were told is that the Lucid-equipped MSI board will be released on in Q1 2010, and what we got is NF200 version for the time-being.

Is the Trinergy with NV chip going to revolutionize the gaming industry? IMO hardly, it is not anything new, furthermore based on some review done, performance was degraded in some cases with NF200.

but I thought Lucid has been well prepared for this? people has been asking on the first day the idea was presented, that if their solution is ever going to work, NV or AMD will try their best to spoil the party.

[ptr1aa]

Nvidia has an edge with SLI over Crossfire , not all the time but most of the time with new games they are fast with a SLI fix , this Lucid thing would render a big part of the driver uselles.
This would mean that the importnace of how fast the hardware is even bigger and they would lose to some Ati products that now perform poorly because of a lack of crossfire support.
I can understand why they wanna kill Lucid , it would make ATI stronger in benches.

[watzup_ken]

If this is real, then I feel that the real reason will be that they do not want to share their PhysX and CUDA technology on a system that runs with an ATI graphic card. Imagine running physics using an Nvidia card and game through ATI card. Cool idea, and you get the best of both worlds. Just that Nvidia will be on the losing end since at the moment, they don't have a strong performing card at decent price, so most will just buy a card like GTS250 and pair it with a HD58xx series card for the frame rates. That's how I feel.

[psolord]

Originally Posted by watzup_ken

If this is real, then I feel that the real reason will be that they do not want to share their PhysX and CUDA technology on a system that runs with an ATI graphic card. Imagine running physics using an Nvidia card and game through ATI card. Cool idea, and you get the best of both worlds. Just that Nvidia will be on the losing end since at the moment, they don't have a strong performing card at decent price, so most will just buy a card like GTS250 and pair it with a HD58xx series card for the frame rates. That's how I feel.

I am not so sure that Lucid can forcibly enable PhysX if Nvidia's driver won't allow it, in a ATI=primary, Nvidia=secondary scheme!

This setup could be used in Windows 7, without any Lucid presence whatsoever, but Nvidia forced it off, in their more recent drivers.

I think that what will be doable instead, is that if Nvidia and ATI cards can do simultaneous rendering, you will be able to have the Nvidia doing both rendering and PhysX at the same time, while having the ATI card assisting by quite a large percentage.

[sindiy]

I checked with corbell yesterday afternoon around 17:00,the sales told me the big-bang will be arriving sgp first week of December,let's see how .

[psolord]

Originally Posted by sindiy

I checked with corbell yesterday afternoon around 17:00,the sales told me the big-bang will be arriving sgp first week of December,let's see how .

Which big bang? The trinergy or the Lucid one?

[Teemax]

Originally Posted by psolord

I am not so sure that Lucid can forcibly enable PhysX if Nvidia's driver won't allow it, in a ATI=primary, Nvidia=secondary scheme!

This setup could be used in Windows 7, without any Lucid presence whatsoever, but Nvidia forced it off, in their more recent drivers.

I think that what will be doable instead, is that if Nvidia and ATI cards can do simultaneous rendering, you will be able to have the Nvidia doing both rendering and PhysX at the same time, while having the ATI card assisting by quite a large percentage.

For PhysX, you need to install NVIDIA driver, and the driver now checks for "unauthorized hardware". So if it sees an ATI card, the driver will simply disable hardware PhysX.


As for the Lucid chip, I have my doubt that it's NVIDIA who pulls the strings. After all, if Hydra is as great as Lucid claims, all other board makers would jump on it already.

I suspect software immaturity as the main huddle behind Hydra's delay.

[psolord]

Originally Posted by Teemax

For PhysX, you need to install NVIDIA driver, and the driver now checks for "unauthorized hardware". So if it sees an ATI card, the driver will simply disable hardware PhysX.


As for the Lucid chip, I have my doubt that it's NVIDIA who pulls the strings. After all, if Hydra is as great as Lucid claims, all other board makers would jump on it already.

I suspect software immaturity as the main huddle behind Hydra's delay.

Well, that's why I put that question mark on the title. Not that I question Charlies info, but afaik, Intel is deeply involved with Lucid and I don't believe that there would be any backing up, from Lucid.

Of course the problem here is that the backing up is from MSI's side and not Lucid's. Maybe Nvidia has somehow grabbed MSI by its virtual balls.

So...if you want to use an Nvidia card as primary and have a second ati gfx card for say, a second or third desktop, then Nvidias driver disables physx no matter what? WTF?

[ptr1aa]

The message it's clear , if you want to use an Nvidia card you will play by Nvidia's rules , no messing around with competing products like ATI or future Intel or whatever company pisses them off , they imediatly kill that thing that hurts in some way a possible profitable situation for them , regardelles of the costumer's interest , of course.
In Nvidia's mind the costumer should be a mindlles animal who has to buy only from them no matter what , it's not the situation now but in the future could be.

[Neo_XF]

Originally Posted by ptr1aa

The message it's clear , if you want to use an Nvidia card you will play by Nvidia's rules , no messing around with competing products like ATI or future Intel or whatever company pisses them off , they imediatly kill that thing that hurts in some way a possible profitable situation for them , regardelles of the costumer's interest , of course.
In Nvidia's mind the costumer should be a mindlles animal who has to buy only from them no matter what , it's not the situation now but in the future could be.

O HAI!

New to the corporate world, hm?

[watzup_ken]

Originally Posted by psolord

I am not so sure that Lucid can forcibly enable PhysX if Nvidia's driver won't allow it, in a ATI=primary, Nvidia=secondary scheme!

This setup could be used in Windows 7, without any Lucid presence whatsoever, but Nvidia forced it off, in their more recent drivers.

I think that what will be doable instead, is that if Nvidia and ATI cards can do simultaneous rendering, you will be able to have the Nvidia doing both rendering and PhysX at the same time, while having the ATI card assisting by quite a large percentage.

Its just my speculation if there is any reason why Nvidia wants to stop this, it should be related to what I mentioned. After all, it will be in ATI's advantage that a system running primarily on ATI card can also make use of PhysX and CUDA since these are the main selling points from Nvidia themselves.

[Brandon1987]

Typical of Nvidia. They have never liked losing on graphics front. Those that tried to beat them, ended up dead with the exception of ATI, still going strong.