[Teemax]

Originally Posted by psolord

From what I read around the web, ATI sold 20 Evergreens for every single Geforce, during Christmas time.

Where did you get this info? It sounds scary...

[power666]

Originally Posted by psolord

From what I read around the web, ATI sold 20 Evergreens for every single Geforce, during Christmas time.

20:1 ratio goes beyond bad, don't you think?

That is indeed pretty bad but should have a bit of context around it. Board partners were expected to have Fermi in their hands to replace high end Geforce cards. So they didn't order any GT200b based chips and when Fermi was delayed, they had little in terms of product to offer. At some point retailers run out of stock and just before doing so, there was actually an uptick in price for various models. So even with the Radeon 5000 being more popular at the register, there was still some demand for the GT200b based solutions. The only logical reason to explain this would be people getting a second Geforce card for SLI while they still can.

Originally Posted by psolord

Nvidia has found themselves in a check-mate position and even launching GF100 high end cards, will not do them much good. They need new products top to bottom!

Indeed. AMD has refreshed their entire portfolio with DX11 capable hardware at every price point. Most of the graphics cards sold are not high end gear but rather the more mainstream cards like the Radeon 5750. The nVidia competitor here in terms of performance is the GTS 250 which is a rebranded G92b chip. To compete against the Radeon 5750 in terms of price would put the GTS 250 cards in an area close to zero profit or even in the red. Beyond this comparison in both price and performance is realistically all AMD territory.

What nVidia need isn't Fermi to displace the Radeon 5870 but rather a new chip to complete against the Radeon 5750 and Radeon 5770 and another chip pitted against the Radeon 5830 and 5850. A cut down Fermi isn't going to be that profitable for nVidia if placed against the Radeon 5850 prices. I haven't heard anything about any new nVidia chips to fill these roles.

So even if Fermi wins the PR war for the performance crown, AMD's sales streak will continue without some competition in the midrange sector.

[sutyi]

Originally Posted by psolord

From what I read around the web, ATI sold 20 Evergreens for every single Geforce, during Christmas time.

20:1 ratio goes beyond bad, don't you think?

Also in my local forums, whenever a thread for suggestions for a new gaming graphics card, comes to life, virtually noone suggests Nvidia cards anymore. Not even Nv fanboys. This is bad for the market's balance!

Nvidia has found themselves in a check-mate position and even launching GF100 high end cards, will not do them much good. They need new products top to bottom!

On the desktop market yeah, that's not a good figure. However OEM market is still soaking up low-end 8400/8500/8600 > 9400/9500 > G100/GT120 parts.

[Megalord]

Out selling 20 to 1... That i not sure, but the market share is still in Nvidia's favour. Lets sit back and relax. What will come will come.

[Brandon1987]

Well, I am not really sure if ATI is indeed selling 20 cards per 1 Nvidia.

We are not really looking at the corporate market. Maybe Nvidia is selling a lot of cards for the corporate market, companies that need HPC.

Either way, there can be two reason why it is delayed.

1. Unable to produce sufficient cards? ATI shoke TSMC's 40nm process?

2. Nvidia is confident that their new card can take on whatever ATI will throw at them in the later half of the year.

For me, it help me a great deal. I can save even more money to get two instead of one Fermi when it is release.

[Teemax]

Why release early and get just one card?

Delay, so people can save up and buy TWO cards upon release!

Impeccable logics!

[Roguespear]

Good for ATI

[psolord]

Regarding that 20:1 outselling ratio, guys please regard this as FALSE INFO. This is the sensible thing to do, since I cannot recover the link where I read that. Google searching only brings up my own comment and I really don't want to be the starter of a false info, so please don't spread it around!

I am really really sorry for that!

( I am sure I read it somewhere though during this week, crap)

[LiM]

Fermi consider fail liao

[NextGen_Gamer]

It looks like the problems just continue to pile on for NVIDIA, if SemiAccurate's latest article is to be believed. SemiAccurate is now showing the first scores for "Fermi" based on leaks from its moles, and the early scores are anything but good. First, the specs: the GeForce GTX 480 will have all 512 SPs enabled, with a core clockspeed of either 600MHz or 625MHz, and a shader clockspeed of either 1200MHz or 1250MHz. The GeForce GTX 470 will have 448 SPs enabled, with a core clockspeed of 625MHz and a shader clockspeed of 1250MHz. No mention was made of the GDDR5 clockspeeds, although we can safely assume they will be about the same as the Radeon HD 5000 series.

Now, the bad news: in real-world games, the GeForce GTX 480 reportedly runs only 5% better than the Radeon HD 5870. Yes, I said the Radeon HD 5870, not the Radeon HD 5970. No scores were reported for the GeForce GTX 470, although it will obviously run much slower than the Radeon HD 5870 and possibly even slower than the Radeon HD 5850 card. Is NVIDIA in trouble yet?

[Cryptyc]

Originally Posted by psolord

Regarding that 20:1 outselling ratio, guys please regard this as FALSE INFO. This is the sensible thing to do, since I cannot recover the link where I read that. Google searching only brings up my own comment and I really don't want to be the starter of a false info, so please don't spread it around!

I am really really sorry for that!

( I am sure I read it somewhere though during this week, crap)

Nvidia's fermi might be a boat sorely missed - The Inquirer

Martin Sawyer, sales manager at performance PC specialists Chillblast.com, has some harrowing sales figures for Nvidia. In the pre-Christmas rush the firm sold more than 20 ATi performance video cards for every GeForce, and with Nvidia stock now hard to come by the gulf between the two has only widened.

[watzup_ken]

Originally Posted by NextGen_Gamer

It looks like the problems just continue to pile on for NVIDIA, if SemiAccurate's latest article is to be believed. SemiAccurate is now showing the first scores for "Fermi" based on leaks from its moles, and the early scores are anything but good. First, the specs: the GeForce GTX 480 will have all 512 SPs enabled, with a core clockspeed of either 600MHz or 625MHz, and a shader clockspeed of either 1200MHz or 1250MHz. The GeForce GTX 470 will have 448 SPs enabled, with a core clockspeed of 625MHz and a shader clockspeed of 1250MHz. No mention was made of the GDDR5 clockspeeds, although we can safely assume they will be about the same as the Radeon HD 5000 series.

Now, the bad news: in real-world games, the GeForce GTX 480 reportedly runs only 5% better than the Radeon HD 5870. Yes, I said the Radeon HD 5870, not the Radeon HD 5970. No scores were reported for the GeForce GTX 470, although it will obviously run much slower than the Radeon HD 5870 and possibly even slower than the Radeon HD 5850 card. Is NVIDIA in trouble yet?

That is not good news for Nvidia. Maybe its due to not optimized drivers? Or even games that are not optimized for it. Its still too early to tell.

[psolord]

Originally Posted by NextGen_Gamer

It looks like the problems just continue to pile on for NVIDIA, if SemiAccurate's latest article is to be believed. SemiAccurate is now showing the first scores for "Fermi" based on leaks from its moles, and the early scores are anything but good. First, the specs: the GeForce GTX 480 will have all 512 SPs enabled, with a core clockspeed of either 600MHz or 625MHz, and a shader clockspeed of either 1200MHz or 1250MHz. The GeForce GTX 470 will have 448 SPs enabled, with a core clockspeed of 625MHz and a shader clockspeed of 1250MHz. No mention was made of the GDDR5 clockspeeds, although we can safely assume they will be about the same as the Radeon HD 5000 series.

Now, the bad news: in real-world games, the GeForce GTX 480 reportedly runs only 5% better than the Radeon HD 5870. Yes, I said the Radeon HD 5870, not the Radeon HD 5970. No scores were reported for the GeForce GTX 470, although it will obviously run much slower than the Radeon HD 5870 and possibly even slower than the Radeon HD 5850 card. Is NVIDIA in trouble yet?

Ouch. This is really bad if it is true.

I mean OK, Heaven is great, but you cannot actually play it! It is all the rest of the huge game database that matters. To make things even worse, I don't really think that DX11 games, do so heave tesselation as Heaven anyway, so whatever advantage the GF100 has in Heaven, it will loose it in real gaming.

What is really disturbing though, are those idle temperatures and fan speed. What the heck?

I think this thing will only shine when it gets manufactured at 32nm or less!