[SeniorEditor]

Finally we have official name and confirmed specs... GeForce GTX 465 comes with 256-bit memory interface and 1Gig GDDR5 memory. Clock speeds of GTX 465 are 607MHz(GPU), 1215MHz (shaders) and 3206MHz (memory). Power Consumption of GeForce GTX 465 is 215 Watt for reference design. More info coming...

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[psolord]

So basically they are aiming for the same bandwidth as the 4870. Not bad but not great either.

Seriously though, this card will surely be slower than the 5850 and it comes with 215TDP while the 5850 is at 150W? WTF are these guys thinking anyway?

Moreover, the GTX 285 is at 183W and I am almost sure that it will be faster as well. This would be hilarious. An architecture to go down the drain, power consumption wise.

[techniqu]

Originally Posted by psolord

So basically they are aiming for the same bandwidth as the 4870. Not bad but not great either.

Seriously though, this card will surely be slower than the 5850 and it comes with 215TDP while the 5850 is at 150W? WTF are these guys thinking anyway?

Moreover, the GTX 285 is at 183W and I am almost sure that it will be faster as well. This would be hilarious. An architecture to go down the drain, power consumption wise.

They keep pushing this thing as a GPGPU champion and yet there's no news about its GPGPU performance. It would be nice for nvidia to actually spend some time advertising CUDA benches so that people like me would take the gaming performance hit if CUDA was actually useful.

[Neo_XF]

They can name it (in pure nVidia tradition) GTX 665, skip a few numbers, who will notice, after all, the performance will be astronomically better *cough*.

...It'll still be a pice of crap.

[ptr1aa]

This is a scenario that happened with Intel a few years back , they abbandoned the pentium 3 arhitecture ( don't remember the name ) for Netburst ( pentium 4 ) , they were crap hot and consumed a lot compared to p3's , Amd had superior cpu's but they still didn't got much ground because of marketing , Intel did a lot of advertising and propaganda.
So the lesson to be learned here is that who is the best it's not all , some people don't even know AMD or Ati exists , Nvidia will win because people are stupid.

[iamverysmart]

Netburst wasn't that bad, they still did better at multimedia stuff IIRC

[ORiN]

Originally Posted by ptr1aa

This is a scenario that happened with Intel a few years back , they abbandoned the pentium 3 arhitecture ( don't remember the name ) for Netburst ( pentium 4 ) , they were crap hot and consumed a lot compared to p3's , Amd had superior cpu's but they still didn't got much ground because of marketing , Intel did a lot of advertising and propaganda.
So the lesson to be learned here is that who is the best it's not all , some people don't even know AMD or Ati exists , Nvidia will win because people are stupid.

The transition from Pentium 3 to Pentium 4 was back in 2003. The growth of Internet allows information to be passed on much faster. I don't think we will see a repeat of how Intel can counter with massive marketing. Nvidia is going to get hurt quite badly for this round at least.

[ptr1aa]

Originally Posted by ORiN

The transition from Pentium 3 to Pentium 4 was back in 2003. The growth of Internet allows information to be passed on much faster. I don't think we will see a repeat of how Intel can counter with massive marketing. Nvidia is going to get hurt quite badly for this round at least.

How do you figure that ? when Nvidia advertises Cuda and physx and the might of GTX.... everywhere you can't but wonder why Nvidia still has the biggest market share in discrete graphics.

[hwmook]

Originally Posted by ptr1aa

How do you figure that ? when Nvidia advertises Cuda and physx and the might of GTX.... everywhere you can't but wonder why Nvidia still has the biggest market share in discrete graphics.

Because a lot of people are still using their 8800GT?

[riggnix]

Originally Posted by hwmook

Because a lot of people are still using their 8800GT?

good point....

[NextGen_Gamer]

I find this story interesting for a number of reasons:

1) The name GeForce GTX 465: it makes no sense at all. Why would NVIDIA add a "5" at the end instead of using GeForce GTX 460, especially if this is just another cut-down GF100 card. There is no reason for it whatsoever.

2) The so-called "final specs" are even worse than I thought. It has a full 96 SPs disabled compared to the GeForce GTX 470, which in turn has only one unit (32 SPs) disabled compared to the GeForce GTX 480. Since the GeForce GTX 470 can actually still lose to the Radeon HD 5850 in certain games, there is no way this GeForce GTX 465 would ever beat it; in fact, I actually wonder if it would even be able to compete with the Radeon HD 5830 selling at the same $249 price point.

3) DigiTimes, an infinitely more reliable website, just posted details on NVIDIA's upcoming roadmap. They claim the GF106 (~$180) will be released in July, the GF108 (~$100) will come out in August, and the GeForce GTX 460 will be released in June. The really interesting part is that according to them the GeForce GTX 460 will be using the GF104 die and not the current GF100 chip.

I think there is a lot of misinformation floating around about what NVIDIA plans to release in June, but right now, I am more inclined to believe DigiTimes than anyone else.

[power666]

Originally Posted by ptr1aa

This is a scenario that happened with Intel a few years back , they abbandoned the pentium 3 arhitecture ( don't remember the name ) for Netburst ( pentium 4 ) , they were crap hot and consumed a lot compared to p3's , Amd had superior cpu's but they still didn't got much ground because of marketing , Intel did a lot of advertising and propaganda.
So the lesson to be learned here is that who is the best it's not all , some people don't even know AMD or Ati exists , Nvidia will win because people are stupid.

When the Pentium 4 was first released, the biggest competitor in performance was high clocked Pentium 3's. At the Pentium 4's launch AMD was competitive but the Northwood core for the Pentium 4 allowed Intel to claim the performance lead. AMD at the time was shipping the Athlon XP line which was struggling to increase in clock speeds to remain competitive. It wasn't until the Athlon 64 that AMD was able to take a definitive lead in performance.

Also the Pentium 3 lineage continues to this day as the current Nehalem/Westmere chips can trace their heritage back to the Pentium 3. And the Pentium 3 can trace its roots all the way back to the Pentium Pro.

Originally Posted by iamverysmart

Netburst wasn't that bad, they still did better at multimedia stuff IIRC

Most of the Pentium 4's benefit wasn't because of the CPU but rather because of the changes to the memory topology and FSB. It was rather easy to cripple the Pentium 4 by pairing it with SDRAM instead of dual channel DDR or RDRAM.

Originally Posted by NextGen_Gamer

I find this story interesting for a number of reasons:

1) The name GeForce GTX 465: it makes no sense at all. Why would NVIDIA add a "5" at the end instead of using GeForce GTX 460, especially if this is just another cut-down GF100 card. There is no reason for it whatsoever.

2) The so-called "final specs" are even worse than I thought. It has a full 96 SPs disabled compared to the GeForce GTX 470, which in turn has only one unit (32 SPs) disabled compared to the GeForce GTX 480.

The original source is citing 384 shaders for the GTX 465 which is in-line with previous rumors for a GF100 based design. Launching both the GTX 460 and 465 at the same time would make sense in a way. The performance gap between a GF104 based GTX 460, a GF 100 based GTX 465 would be relatively small and the naming schema would reflect that.

Originally Posted by NextGen_Gamer

3) DigiTimes, an infinitely more reliable website, just posted details on NVIDIA's upcoming roadmap. They claim the GF106 (~$180) will be released in July, the GF108 (~$100) will come out in August, and the GeForce GTX 460 will be released in June. The really interesting part is that according to them the GeForce GTX 460 will be using the GF104 die and not the current GF100 chip.

Using the GF104 as the GTX460 is something I've been pondering ever since the rumors of the 384 shader based GF100 cropped up. Maybe nVidia is going to utilize those partially defective dies for the Quadro/Tesla line after all. They may not be the best performers but they certainly can sell them to those markets due to their feature set.

The GF106 and GF108 on the road map is good news for nVidia. AMD has been rather aggressive in performance, pricing and feature set in every market segment. It'll be interesting to see the final specs of those cards as they won't be competing against the current Radeon line up for long with Southern Islands due by the end of the year.

[strike]

nevertheless...

what ever nvidia come out any model of the GTX400 Series... people will still going to buy the card.

if the GTX465 price is correct 249... est to SGD will be around 323.7SGD.

the price point is almost same as the GTX260 when it released.. well, I pretty sure a no of them confirm will go for the GTX465 card due to the price.

[ORiN]

Originally Posted by strike

nevertheless...

what ever nvidia come out any model of the GTX400 Series... people will still going to buy the card.

if the GTX465 price is correct 249... est to SGD will be around 323.7SGD.

the price point is almost same as the GTX260 when it released.. well, I pretty sure a no of them confirm will go for the GTX465 card due to the price.

That's true. AMD/ATI may counter GTX465 by making some adjustments to their pricing.

[NextGen_Gamer]

Originally Posted by strike

nevertheless...

what ever nvidia come out any model of the GTX400 Series... people will still going to buy the card.

if the GTX465 price is correct 249... est to SGD will be around 323.7SGD.

the price point is almost same as the GTX260 when it released.. well, I pretty sure a no of them confirm will go for the GTX465 card due to the price.

The GeForce GTX 260 came with a launch price of $399 USD, while the GeForce GTX 280 had an original launch price of $649. Though you are forgiven for not remembering the original prices since both were significantly dropped within the first two months of availability.

Originally Posted by ORiN

That's true. AMD/ATI may counter GTX465 by making some adjustments to their pricing.

Considering the relatively small die size and the GDDR5 chips that are practically the same as the Radeon HD 4800 series, I am pretty sure that AMD has a lot of room in the pricing department. They could drop the Radeon HD 5870 down to $299 on a whim. Really the only reason the prices have remained so high for so long is due to manufacturing constraints from TSMC and pretty much zero competition from NVIDIA.