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(News) When teens have consensual sex... MinMin Nov 7th, 09, 08:58 PM #1 (permalink)
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Should teens in love be prosecuted if they have underage sex?

There is no easy answer here.

Other cases involving underage sex - for example, when one party is an adult - may have a clear-cut answer, but teen cases are hard to prosecute, said Attorney-General Walter Woon.

'It's basically kids having sex...What do you do if the couple think they're in love? It's less easy if the girl consents,' he noted.

He spoke on this topic yesterday before social workers, government representatives and teachers at the third annual Singapore Children's Society Lecture.

Titled Changing Social Mores: Protecting Children From Themselves?, it focused on how the law here dealt with the issue of underage sex.

Sex with a minor under 14 is punishable with a jail term - which may extend to 20 years, along with a fine or caning.

The penalty for having sex with a girl under 16 is up to five years' jail and a fine of up to $10,000.

However, in the case of teenage boy offenders, they have also been given reformative training and probation for such offences.

The number of cases involving consensual sex with a girl under 14, which amounts to statutory rape, has gone up from more than 160 five years ago to 300 this year.

Professor Woon listed four types of underage sex.

The first is when the perpetrator is an adult and the victim does not consent; the second, when the perpetrator is an adult and the victim consents; and the third, when the perpetrator is under 18 and the victim does not consent.

But it is the fourth type - when both participants are underage and have consensual sex - that is complicated. Prof Woon referred to this type as 'Category 4' cases.

Since both parties are young and in a consensual relationship, taking them to court can be traumatic for everyone involved.

He cited the case of a 15-year-old boy who got his underage girlfriend pregnant. 'The problem is, do we send the boy to jail? What good would that do?' said Prof Woon.

He said that in the case of a relationship that is consensual or long- term, the law usually leans towards warning, as opposed to prosecuting, offenders.

'You need to balance this against the outrage that the girl's family may feel. They may feel humiliated and taken advantage of, and may ask why we are being so lenient with this fellow.'

He said it is very hard to make rules to deal with such cases as each must be looked at individually.

Prof Woon noted that the law is a 'blunt instrument' as it forces the boy to think twice and take responsibility for his actions - by making sex with a girl under 14 illegal and indefensible.

He said: 'It is not easy and this is where the non-governmental organisations, the community services play a part. The judges cannot do very much by themselves. Sending them to jail per se will not make them reflect on their lives. That is the last thing that is going to happen. But good or ill, this is the framework that we have.'

During the question-and-answer session, Prof Woon was peppered with questions about case studies and whether social workers have the responsibility to report cases of underage sex they encounter to the police.

He politely declined to comment. 'The problem is, whenever the Attorney-General says something, it seems to get written in stone,' he said, to laughter.

Social workers agreed largely with his comments, including his point that reporting underage sex is a delicate issue.

Dr Carol Balhetchet, director for youth services at the Singapore Children's Society, said: 'It is a tough issue. If the teen told you in confidence, should you breach it?

'What we do is that we give these teens a deadline of a few days and let them make the choice between telling their parents themselves and having us bring it up.'

She added that parents then have to decide whether to report the incident.

Ms Sheena Jebal, founder of Nulife Care and Counselling Services, took a different tack. 'It takes quite some time to build rapport with teens so that they will tell you about their sex lives. If I report the case, I may lose their trust and the consequences may be even more damaging,' she said.

Instead, she discusses the consequences and gets the teen to talk to his or her sex partner. She said: 'Eventually, they usually tell their parents themselves.'

Lawyer Edmond Pereira of Edmond Pereira and Partners said it is an offence not to make a report if one is aware a crime has been committed, or if there is an intent to commit a crime.

'However, this is only in the absence of a reasonable excuse.'

And a promise of confidentiality could be such an excuse, he said, adding that the laws surrounding underage sex are a little harsh in today's social climate.

'I think it's right for the laws to protect minors under 16, but some provision should be made into looking at the circumstances. The penalties are a bit tough,' he said.

Parents too felt that a softer approach might be more helpful.

Housewife Yeo Guek Keow, 44, was not in favour of social workers reporting underage sex.

Said the mother of three teenage boys: 'The penalties are so harsh that reporting consensual sex might have disastrous consequences. I would rather social workers tell parents so that they can then decide.'

Mr Seah Kian Peng, who chairs the Government Parliamentary Committee for Community Development, Youth and Sports, said while there is a need to tackle the problem if an illegal action took place, it is also necessary to calibrate the punishment meted out.

He said: 'Perhaps it is time to review the laws while taking into account societal norms. Personally, I feel that underage sex is wrong, but punitive action may not always be the solution as it doesn't really fix the problem.'
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UNDERAGE SEX FIGURES

Number of girls below the age of 16 having sex:

2008: 310 cases
2007: 216 cases
Statutory rape, which involves girls below 14:

2008: 63 cases
2007: 57 cases
Statutory rape in the first half of the year:

First half of 2009: 37 cases
First half of 2008: 21 cases

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310 cases of girls under 16 having sex reported but the actual figure is probably much much higher.
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(News) Young, pregnant and clueless MinMin Nov 7th, 09, 09:18 PM #3 (permalink)
Young, pregnant and clueless



WHAT does being pregnant mean?

Having a baby, says a 16-year-old unwed mother-to-be.

What does the baby need to survive?

Breast milk, cereal, diapers and love, she figures.

What about immunisation for the baby?

Or education? Or insurance?

She claims she knows about the injections and will send her child to kindergarten.

But she has never heard of life insurance.

More importantly, does she know about the risks involved in giving birth so young?

That her pelvis is not fully developed enough to deliver a baby?

Once again, no clue. She doesn’t know what a pelvis is.

Yet, that’s what a gynaecologist said teens like her face as they are physically and mentally unprepared to be mothers.

The damage they do to their bodies is beyond their imagination.

When The New Paper spoke to Mary (not her real name) over the phone on Tuesday, she seemed lost about the burdens and responsibilities of raising a child.

She dropped out of school when she was 14. She said that she was not interested in school. She became pregnant in May.

Mary is among a growing number of girls under 16 having sex.

She had sex with a 39-year-old man,who got her pregnant.

She was referred to the Singapore Children’s Society for counselling and spoke to us on condition that her identity is not revealed.

By all accounts, she seems to come from a decent family. Her father earns a decent wage.

Her mother is a housewife who cooks for her five children and cleans the home daily.

Mary said her parents are good people and her siblings do not give them problems.

“I am the bad one. Because I mixed with bad company.” Her son is due in January, So where did it all go wrong?

Mary said she started mixing with the wrong crowd when she was 14 and would come home late at night.

She and her friends would hangout at coffee shops or work illegally as waitresses.

Her parents would get angry and scold her for it.

As she didn’t like being scolded, she ran away, inevitably meeting more bad hats along the way. Some became her boyfriends.

She slept with all of them.

She claimed: “I was 15 when I first had sex with someone. I was drunk and could not control myself.”

The first time she had sex, she got pregnant. She went for an abortion.

“I did not blame him for getting me pregnant because we loved each other. I have had four or five boyfriends. I had sex with all of them. I thought it was normal. I did it because of love.”

Kept age secret

Mary said she knew it was illegal to have sex before she was 16 and admitted that her boyfriends did not know her age.

They were aged between 17 and 19 years old. They used condoms.

Two years ago, she met a 39-year-old in Geylang who was involved in illegal gambling.

He was divorced and already has a child.

For six months, she stayed with him at a budget hotel where rooms could be rented for $60 a night.

She called him her “hubby” because “I love him so much”. When they had sex, they didn’t use condoms.

Why?

Again: “Because I love him.”

One night, Central Narcotics Bureau officers raided the hotel room and arrested the man for drug trafficking. She said he is now in remand.

She insists she is ready to be a mother – despite the absence of her baby’s father and her jobless state.

Loves baby

“I love this baby so much. I am still strong. I can find work. I have experience as a sales assistant. I can work in marketing.

“After giving birth, I will start work. I will tell my mum to take care of the baby. Maybe my salary can be more than $1,000.”

But does she know what a baby needs to survive?

Mary’s innocent answer: “Before the first month, they need breast milk. Then, give them cereal.

“Babies also need love. I have a big family and they can love the baby.”

Her father told The New Paper that he works long hours – from 7.30am to around 9pm– to earn $1,500 a month, with overtime.

He said: “I don’t know what she is doing. I work long hours and can’t monitor her. I blame myself for not spending enough time with her.

“I have no choice because I have to work. Times are bad and I can’t afford to lose this job. It gives good benefits, like health coverage, for me and my family.”

He said he did not want an abortion because the baby did not make a mistake. “It’s my daughter who made the mistake.” And he wants justice.

“I want that man to be jailed for having sex with my daughter.”

That may be so but for his daughter the damage is done.

Dr Carol Balhetchet, director of youth services, Singapore Children’s Society, said: “When girls have sex, it’s an investment in the relationship. When boys have sex, the relationship will be put in a box somewhere because they are just living for the moment.

“The boys are doing it for self-satisfaction.”

And so the cycle continues. Why? “For parents in general,” said Dr Balhetchet, “talking about sex with their children may make them feel as if they are acknowledging their children may have sex later or are having sex now, which is frightening for them.”

A-G: Underage sex on the rise

MORE underage teens are having sex. But there is no easy way of dealing with them or punishing them, said Attorney-General Walter Woon on Saturday.

He spoke about how difficult it was to prosecute such cases as, very often, the offenders are children themselves.

Speaking at the Singapore Children’s Society Lecture, he added that it was difficult handling such cases, especially if the kids think they are in love.

Such cases must be looked at individually. On one side, he said, you have the girl’s parents who feel angry and humiliated and demand stiff punishment for the boy.

But on the other side of the argument, sending the boy to jail may not be the best option. Because both are young, taking them to court may be traumatic for everyone involved.

A person who has sex with a minor under 14 can be jailed up to 20 years with a fine or caning. Having sex with a girl under 16 can land a person in jail for up to five years and a fine of up to $10,000.

Girls below 16 having sex: 310 cases last year 216 cases in 2007

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khaos83_2000 Nov 7th, 09, 10:20 PM #4 (permalink)
How about also punishing the underage girls having sex.
Not fair to only punish underage boys.

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If they want to punish, they need to punish both. It takes two hands to clap.

Pregnancy may be punishment enough... or is it?

I pity the newborn child. Especially so if the family it is born into is unable to provide it with sufficient resources to ensure he or she has a good chance in today's dog eat dog society.

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We dun need any expert in this issues.....

Experts tend to mess up the thing.
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