[Rozshu]

Hi. As my question, why has it not become a standard in home pc configuration be it Branded or DIY pc? That is a home pc standard would be 2 harddisk regardless if you want a RAID setup or not. I would consider it not too costly to implement.

Wouldn't higher write/read speed better?

[dr_disciple]

cos not everyone needs to have a better speed nor securing of data. Not everyone is willing to spend on that 2nd hdd.

Do you run raid on your Raptor 300GB?

[Rozshu]

Originally Posted by dr_disciple

cos not everyone needs to have a better speed nor securing of data. Not everyone is willing to spend on that 2nd hdd.

Do you run raid on your Raptor 300GB?

Hi. That is a good point A user's needs.


It is exactly why I think performance harddisk like Raptor is developed. An improve overall pc performance. But it is costly. Had RAID been a standard, wouldn't it benefit all users? Like for instance a dual VGA card setup. I was thinking home pc now tends to move towards "Dual" setup. So the option we have when we wants to improve pc performance is to add another similar component. Products like ATI 4870 X2. 2 cards in 1. This is costly.

If RAID could be make as a standard, do you think it will change how harddisk will develop in the near future.

[lennardseah]

it all boils down to costs and demand

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Originally Posted by Rozshu

Hi. That is a good point A user's needs.


It is exactly why I think performance harddisk like Raptor is developed. An improve overall pc performance. But it is costly. Had RAID been a standard, wouldn't it benefit all users? Like for instance a dual VGA card setup. I was thinking home pc now tends to move towards "Dual" setup. So the option we have when we wants to improve pc performance is to add another similar component. Products like ATI 4870 X2. 2 cards in 1. This is costly.

If RAID could be make as a standard, do you think it will change how harddisk will develop in the near future.

not everyone can afford SLI or CF, or X2 on board...

and not everyone can afford to include more than 1 hdd in the system like a HTPC, etc. or a simple rig for BT. so its option, not a standard. no point putting those into say an Atom processor rig.

next is using 2x hdd on raid = 2x more power consumption as per norm cos both will definitely be running.

also, more hdd, more space taken, more heat produced.

lastly, implementation... not everyone knows how to implement RAID or even maintain it. imagine a RAID 0 having issues, and data loss occur to a noob... practically gged.

[Rozshu]

Thanks guys for your reply

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt

not everyone can afford SLI or CF, or X2 on board...

and not everyone can afford to include more than 1 hdd in the system like a HTPC, etc. or a simple rig for BT. so its option, not a standard. no point putting those into say an Atom processor rig.

next is using 2x hdd on raid = 2x more power consumption as per norm cos both will definitely be running.

also, more hdd, more space taken, more heat produced.

lastly, implementation... not everyone knows how to implement RAID or even maintain it. imagine a RAID 0 having issues, and data loss occur to a noob... practically gged.

Your point that I bold on does make me agree it would be an option not a standard. Thanks Can we use 2.5" type for system like HTPC?

It is a fact on the power consumption part. Will a RAID setup consume more power than a single Raptor? I am thinking as people starts gradually increasing their storage capacity either internally or externally, the power consumption part would still inevitably increase in the end.

Implementation. Agree. I took about 2hrs just to setup a RAID 0. Luckily, there are solution now like Asus Drive Xpert. But as for data loss, be it single or RAID still mad like hell.

******

I often feel that harddisk had always been neglected that is the slowest part in a pc configuration. Until I get to know RAID. Most latest motherboards in the market now could support a RAID setup as well as other dual-purpose setups. So can we call these as standard features? I can understand the purpose is customization.

What puzzle me is why stop at having 1 harddisk? Why not make RAID an opt-out option. Most suggestions given to improve a pc system are CPUs, VGA cards, RAM and PSUs. Very little attention is given to harddisk.

Let say a pc system that is build using entry-level parts. By adding another harddisk and RAID 0 it, the user will experience better system performance. It's like adding another stick of ram. It may be only a entry-level pc configuration but with a difference.

I think solutions like RAID and dual-channel memory should be a primary standard of a sales package.

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Originally Posted by Rozshu

Thanks guys for your reply



Your point that I bold on does make me agree it would be an option not a standard. Thanks Can we use 2.5" type for system like HTPC?

It is a fact on the power consumption part. Will a RAID setup consume more power than a single Raptor? I am thinking as people starts gradually increasing their storage capacity either internally or externally, the power consumption part would still inevitably increase in the end.

Implementation. Agree. I took about 2hrs just to setup a RAID 0. Luckily, there are solution now like Asus Drive Xpert. But as for data loss, be it single or RAID still mad like hell.

******

I often feel that harddisk had always been neglected that is the slowest part in a pc configuration. Until I get to know RAID. Most latest motherboards in the market now could support a RAID setup as well as other dual-purpose setups. So can we call these as standard features? I can understand the purpose is customization.

What puzzle me is why stop at having 1 harddisk? Why not make RAID an opt-out option. Most suggestions given to improve a pc system are CPUs, VGA cards, RAM and PSUs. Very little attention is given to harddisk.

Let say a pc system that is build using entry-level parts. By adding another harddisk and RAID 0 it, the user will experience better system performance. It's like adding another stick of ram. It may be only a entry-level pc configuration but with a difference.

I think solutions like RAID and dual-channel memory should be a primary standard of a sales package.

well, i'm thinking of another idea, y don't manufacturers of hdd make everything built into 1 3.5"

imagine you have say 5 platter, each platter is each hdd, then you make it run Raid 5, and on the PCB its already a Raid 5 configuration. so your output will be maxed out... issue is the bandwidth...

so imagine if the mirroring is done internally since there is no need for it to go thru the board or chip, hence that part is done on the pcb, and only 2/3 sata ports needed to be linked to the system. maybe even 1 thats maybe able to provide higher bandwidth.

(ya, all in theory...)

[Rozshu]

Originally Posted by Del_CtrlnoAlt

well, i'm thinking of another idea, y don't manufacturers of hdd make everything built into 1 3.5"

imagine you have say 5 platter, each platter is each hdd, then you make it run Raid 5, and on the PCB its already a Raid 5 configuration. so your output will be maxed out... issue is the bandwidth...

so imagine if the mirroring is done internally since there is no need for it to go thru the board or chip, hence that part is done on the pcb, and only 2/3 sata ports needed to be linked to the system. maybe even 1 thats maybe able to provide higher bandwidth.

(ya, all in theory...)

This is to me. Nothing bad about theory. The idea each platter is each hdd is cool Maybe one of these days, will get to see such harddisk


I guess as for now, majority would prefer the pc configuration options available now?

[Del_CtrlnoAlt]

Originally Posted by Rozshu

This is to me. Nothing bad about theory. The idea each platter is each hdd is cool Maybe one of these days, will get to see such harddisk


I guess as for now, majority would prefer the pc configuration options available now?

ya, well, sometimes to ppl, peace of mind is greater than having the speed.

oh ya, also can use SSD... except going to be expensive now.

[Hairyworm]

Cos from young, 90% of the world ppl have been trained that PC usually only have 1 HDD inside them.

I strongly believe even up till today, in the modern day Singapore. I doubt 70% of Singaporean knows what's Raid on the back of their head.

[val_wilder]

Originally Posted by Hairyworm

Cos from young, 90% of the world ppl have been trained that PC usually only have 1 HDD inside them.

I strongly believe even up till today, in the modern day Singapore. I doubt 70% of Singaporean knows what's Raid on the back of their head.

haha. u r right.

depend e usage. dun setup a high end rig just to surf net and video only.

[r_aquarii]

onboard raid is very risky. and if other component fail and u have to RMA the motherboard. who is going to take responsibility for your data lost?

[Hairyworm]

Originally Posted by r_aquarii

onboard raid is very risky. and if other component fail and u have to RMA the motherboard. who is going to take responsibility for your data lost?

its not so risky as data corruption thru raid error on conventional board aint tat common but definitely the performance difference with raid cards.

[sabe]

Why not RAID0? Double failure rate

Why not RAID1? Double cost

Both are very important factors when selling systems to non-enthusiasts.

[khaos83_2000]

Some technology is best left to the geeks!!!